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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline additionally

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july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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is fade to world with your host jimmy

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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good evening

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how you doing today is monday monday

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just 284 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south

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far and near this is fade to black

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for kjccr the game changer network and

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the planet i'm here with jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing all right

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what an amazing week we've got coming up

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on fade to block

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that's right tonight matthew roberts is

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here crew member

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of the uss roosevelt joining us for the

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tomorrow night eric mitchell is here

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also for the first time you've been

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waiting to hear from eric

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i know this tomorrow night eric mitchell

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it's the return of terry lovelace

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holy smokes what a week on fade to black

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and of course thursday night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long now

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i want to kick this off i've got a

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joining us in a few minutes

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and this weekend part

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of this weekend special guest coming up

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get ready this weekend

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saturday the 27th i will be doing a

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ghost investigation with the dark zone

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at a police precinct here in los angeles

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which is now

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the lapd police museum the links for it

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are posted throughout social media

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and uh in a few minutes i will be joined

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with a special guest but

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something in my throat just like that

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so all you have to do is go to the dark

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dot tv all right the links are up

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it is going down friday saturday and

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sunday all live you know how the dark

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i'll be there saturday night with the

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our very special guest here that's going

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to be here in a few minutes

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all right so also i will be at the ufo

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june 6th through the 12th in laughlin

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go to laughlin megaconf

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laughlin ufomegaconference.com

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only 250 tickets are being sold to this

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uh that's it initially they're only

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it's probably going to sell out so fader

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and hats get over to laughlin

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announce that on thursday nights just go

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throughout social media take you

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straight to the amazon store

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that's all you gotta do it's a very cool

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special event all right all right happy

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to today william shatner is 90 years old

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rhys witherspoon is 45 matthew modine

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matt modine today is 62 and

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jazz great george benson is

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78. our dead guy's birthday today is

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ralph 1943 to 1976 died at the age of 33

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keith of course was the lead vocalist

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and harmonica player for the yardbirds

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his blues harp and vocals were the key

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to yardbird sound and success

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and were the group's three superstar

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lead guitars eric clapton jeff beck and

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jimmy page

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that's right he co-wrote many of the

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original yar bird songs

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shapes of things i ain't done wrong

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over under sideways down happenings 10

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time ago that's keith rowe he also sang

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in live

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yard birds concerts and it's pretty cool

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to see which of course was later

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in a rock and roll lifestyle keith

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died in the basement of his home in 1976

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that's right happy birthday keith rope

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on this day in history

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1984 seven teachers at the mcmartin

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preschool in manhattan beach california

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are indicted seven years

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later and millions of dollars spent the

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case against the teachers came to a

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close with no reputable evidence of

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wrongdoing

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and no convictions fader fact

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in italy in 1954

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in 1954 a soccer match

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fiorentina versus pisto season

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was suspended because multiple ufos

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were spotted above the stadium

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listen then a white sticky substance

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what happened is still a mystery

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absolutely incredible tonight we welcome

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very special guest matthew roberts is

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we will be talking about all of that

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tonight and his new book

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initiation tomorrow night right here

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us for the first time

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eric has quickly become one of the most

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respected voices

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in all of ufology what he is doing now

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how he's moving forward how he is

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experiencers and contactees and

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and what he is doing and his new

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documentary all of this

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will be discussed tomorrow night with

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eric mitchell for the first time and

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then wednesday night

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it is the return of terry lovelace

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now um going all the way back

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another researcher about six years ago

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and and who he was and everything that

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uh his law career and how he represented

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and everything else right uh in the

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state of vermont and the medical board

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a couple of weeks ago to finally uh

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reunite after so many years and talk

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about that very special night

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right here in this program and what has

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just been released

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and we'll be talking about all of that

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and then thursday night of course is

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with open lines all night long now i

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this weekend with the dark zone

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i'm gonna head out and do another ghost

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investigation we know what happened last

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time at the queen mary

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it was amazing the dark zone is an

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incredible network

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while we're heading out to the la police

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and the entire investigation is going to

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from this friday saturday and sunday all

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live on the internet you'll be able to

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check it out select your cameras you

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know how the dark zone does it

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i will be there i'll be there with the

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in person on saturday night and now

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joining me on the phone this is an honor

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and a privilege

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right now babalana's and bob

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and his partner arrested richard

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ramirez he fingerprinted him and he

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took his booking photo now at the time

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of his arrest he was driving a stolen

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casing homes in brentwood that's only

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part of the story

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today bob is also chairman of the board

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for the los

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angeles police museum where we will be

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everything this weekend he's also an

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active police officer in the lapd i

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would like to welcome to fade to black

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bob alana's bob good evening man how are

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this is a very special event this

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it's very hard not to talk to you about

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richard ramirez right

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i mean i was in los angeles uh with so

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many other

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uh angelinos uh that summer of 1984 1985

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and and i know what i went through

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personally and and everybody else uh in

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the city in the county

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it was a truly terrifying time wasn't it

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oh 100 i mean everybody including myself

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were just

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looking over the shoulder especially at

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night uh

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very active um both in

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and this sadistic way he uh murdered

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people

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whole families uh and he did a lot of

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other atrocious

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things but on that particular night

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he was in brentwood and we didn't know

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what he looked like and we actually

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didn't know who he was

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we did get a sketch of him and

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so he was up in um if you may i i'll

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go ahead and tell you the story but he

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was in brentwood

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uh about two three in the morning and he

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was cased in the place trying to find

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a residence that he could uh sneak in

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and

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commit his crimes so uh one of the

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uh police cars that was in the area

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got my partner and i on on the radio and

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asked us where in the area and

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to back him up on on this uh on this

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person

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so uh we had their direction

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we saw the uh the richard maris we

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pulled him over

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and uh we order modded the car

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he was pretty quiet very cooperative

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and definitely listen to exactly what we

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said

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so uh my partner handcuffed him and i

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ran up to the car

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i checked it made sure there's nobody

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else in there and i noticed that he had

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punched the ignition

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with a screwdriver this is a 74

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ford pino and so it's unreported stolen

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and that's what we booked him on was the

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unreported stolen vehicle which was

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later reported stolen by the owners

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when they woke up in the morning so i

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took his photo

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uh fingerprinted him and processed him

340
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while my partner and the others were

341
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doing the police report it was pretty

342
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interesting to me after all these years

343
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i

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photo

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still creeps me out uh to this day

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and i have to ask you uh and i'm you

347
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:54,080
know i'm sure that we'll be hanging out

348
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this weekend over at the museum but

349
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what you know now did he

350
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and i know you've asked been asked this

351
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:05,280
so many times bob but i hope you

352
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uh can appreciate the question did he

353
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have that presence of evil did you feel

354
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yeah i mean you definitely knew he was

355
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up to something and

356
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just the way he acted and um

357
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:25,919
yeah he definitely had had uh something

358
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,320
there

359
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he he was more than just a person

360
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driving driving down the street to get

361
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:32,480
something at 7-eleven that's for sure

362
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we um we lived in pasadena at that time

363
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and what was very interesting for us in

364
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pasadena

365
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:44,080
was the locations of things and you

366
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would you know like put pins in a map

367
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and you would see the reports on tv and

368
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it was getting closer and closer to

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pasadena pasadena

370
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was terrified i know what we were going

371
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through

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and the entire city was freaking out i

373
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:01,520
don't think

374
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,510
no he he went around all over the city i

375
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,559
think on purpose

376
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to just keep everybody uh frightened

377
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,880
like as you said

378
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uh pasadena with the larger homes and

379
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and the

380
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uh uh property lines i mean that that's

381
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perfect for him because uh you're not

382
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:25,919
gonna be able to hear somebody

383
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:28,960
screaming maybe next door as easy as uh

384
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he

385
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would walk into an apartment for

386
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instance well

387
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and what a relief when he was finally

388
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,200
captured and i it was

389
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it was something that was that

390
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,160
intangible that terror that feeling

391
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:46,880
was tangible at that time you could feel

392
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,520
it you could

393
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walk around and know that everybody was

394
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,240
thinking the exact same things

395
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,080
it was just incredible it was also

396
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,760
strange to relive

397
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,840
in that special because all of those

398
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,520
feelings came back

399
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,120
you know and and i hope that this

400
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,840
community never goes through that again

401
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:07,039
and speaking of that here we are we're

402
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going to be

403
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:11,919
uh over at the uh lapd police museum

404
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,630
uh yes i mean the building was built in

405
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:22,799
1925

406
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,000
and uh a lot's gone through there uh

407
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,159
just being a police station for all

408
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,000
those years that was deactivated in

409
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,679
1983.

410
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,919
uh you know in a few years it'll be 100

411
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,080
years old this building so

412
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uh they've had a lot of unfortunate

413
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,440
incidents

414
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:41,360
in there we had somebody that committed

415
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:42,559
suicide in

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one of the old jails and um

417
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,960
and in addition to that just a host of

418
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,400
uh things you know the charles

419
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,880
manson one of the murders the the tates

420
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,960
uh i mean a lot bianca's lived down the

421
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,559
street they were murdered

422
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,640
uh you had the hillstat strangler that

423
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,480
was uh active

424
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,880
uh you know a lot of the gangsters back

425
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,840
in the day

426
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:06,320
so there's a lot of things that that uh

427
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,120
lend itself

428
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,480
to um the paranorm

429
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,799
normal that that goes on in there now is

430
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,760
there one

431
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,559
place it's a it's it's got a basement so

432
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,559
technically it's like four stories right

433
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:21,280
and a basement in la is kind of rare

434
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,120
um but is there one floor to you

435
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:28,159
that that that scares you is there

436
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,270
i think everybody on the staff gets a

437
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:36,799
little airy when they go down

438
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,720
into the archives in the basement

439
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,600
there's a lot of things down there but

440
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,640
the building itself

441
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,760
holds a lot of secrets and um

442
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,840
and then you know upstairs uh in the

443
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,679
north hollywood shootout that would be

444
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:54,880
probably um our biggest uh

445
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,480
hit as far as people feeling something

446
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,480
uh and you know the things that we

447
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,159
capture on camera

448
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:04,880
it's it's uh astounding and why why do

449
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,200
you

450
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,240
why and when i read about the north

451
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,240
hollywood part of things i'm from the

452
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,240
valley right i'm in burbank now but i

453
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,840
lived in sherman oaks

454
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,840
uh when the north hollywood shootout

455
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,039
went down

456
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,400
and it was you know it's a big piece of

457
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,520
the san fernando valley history but

458
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,120
why would that section of the museum

459
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:28,720
have the most activity what are your

460
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:34,470
so i'm not one that really follows the

461
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:35,280
paranormal

462
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,039
um i say industry

463
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,360
i don't know a lot about it i've just

464
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,280
learned uh

465
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,440
a little bit in the last you know few

466
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,200
months um

467
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:49,200
so you know bear with me and your

468
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,240
viewers i

469
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,799
when i describe things um i don't know

470
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:54,480
what what they are but i can describe

471
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,200
what they are

472
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:58,000
sure so um for the for the north

473
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,120
hollywood shootout

474
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,400
these individuals uh were uh

475
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,320
in a large big shootout with with the

476
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,440
police department

477
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,080
uh while robbing a bank of america in

478
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:09,520
north hollywood

479
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,880
everything that uh pertains to them uh

480
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,080
at the time of death uh is at

481
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,960
at the museum you know we we have um

482
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,880
their vehicles they're a lot of the

483
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,320
personal belongings

484
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,039
uh the clothing the weapons uh

485
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:26,559
everything is there

486
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,400
so my theory is that you know spirit

487
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,880
uh probably is the same as we are now

488
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,799
we're very sentimental and we have

489
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,240
attachment to

490
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:38,559
um some things that belong to us our

491
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,440
history

492
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,799
you know we always talk about our past

493
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,640
so for them if you're a spirit you come

494
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,960
back here or you're in this area

495
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,039
the only place on the planet that has

496
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,720
almost all your belongings

497
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,159
certainly everything at your time of

498
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,880
death is at the museum

499
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,120
and you know it could be an eagle thing

500
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,760
for them to come back and see them uh

501
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,520
see themselves displayed the way they

502
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,000
they are um i have to

503
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:06,559
also tell your viewers that uh we have a

504
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,279
lot of

505
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,919
activity at at the end around the

506
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,200
anniversary

507
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,120
of certain events and so for this

508
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:14,480
particular case

509
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,919
uh february uh 27th uh the last

510
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,159
day of the month of february that's when

511
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,760
uh this occurred so

512
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,440
in the month of february we'll start

513
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:25,279
getting more activity for some odd

514
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,159
reason

515
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,120
and there's one other uh well there's

516
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,720
many at the museum

517
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,960
but there's one other case for me that

518
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,480
has fascinated

519
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,880
uh not only myself but all of los

520
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:38,799
angeles for so long

521
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:42,559
which is the black dahlia which is still

522
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,000
unsolved isn't it

523
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,720
yes so the black dahlia um although we

524
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,559
do have some of the items most of those

525
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,400
things are still with our uh with the

526
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,120
lept homicide cold case unit

527
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,240
and homicides aren't closed out until

528
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,520
they are

529
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,320
somehow resolved and in this particular

530
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,400
case it's still not resolved so

531
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:07,440
the cold case unit every uh so often

532
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:07,919
will

533
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:11,840
through it and see if they can

534
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:15,039
find something that uh might lead them

535
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:15,840
to uh

536
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,520
you know who did it um and how does that

537
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,799
happen so

538
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
back when i came on in 1982

539
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,320
we would go to a crime scene and collect

540
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,760
a lot of evidence some things we didn't

541
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,880
know what it's about but

542
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,760
you know we collected it later on as

543
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:34,480
technology advances we have dna

544
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,760
dna allow us to go back in time

545
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,480
and pick up items and then try to make a

546
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,520
match

547
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,279
so that's why cold cases are very

548
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,520
important and you revisit these things

549
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,840
because technology changes and we might

550
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,000
have something that can help us

551
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,799
you know break the case with uh with the

552
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,679
lapd

553
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:56,480
police museum i want everybody to

554
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,200
understand

555
00:26:01,029 --> 00:26:00,480
how how this building came to be a

556
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:01,039
museum

557
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:03,799
it was a precinct it was active so

558
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,039
investigations arrest

559
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,320
criminals everything filtered through

560
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,240
this particular precinct it's not a

561
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,880
standalone museum that was built

562
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,840
this was active so a lot of these

563
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,559
homicides and things from the past

564
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,279
did filter through uh this particular

565
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,789
yes a whole host of things have come

566
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,000
through and

567
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,799
and you know in our archives we have a

568
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,240
lot of uh

569
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,120
um when we have a lot of blood a lot of

570
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dried blood you know we have

571
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a lot of things that so if a case is

572
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solved

573
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,679
um then it gets to a point where

574
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you know what do you do with with the

575
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material so if it's something of

576
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interest

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then uh we will receive that

578
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,240
that property um if it's

579
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,480
you know no value then it's destroyed so

580
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,559
we do have some interesting items that's

581
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tugged away

582
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that's why uh walking down some of these

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uh

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boxes and stuff that's where

585
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:12,640
things get kind of uh creepy for people

586
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i guess

587
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:15,279
but you know what got creepy for me was

588
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when i saw the picture of the building

589
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[Laughter]

590
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:21,679
it was so funny that um and i think of

591
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,640
hall of justice you know ho jj downtown

592
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uh you know and it's history and of

593
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course you know the

594
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city hall and things and then when i

595
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first

596
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looked at this and i didn't realize it's

597
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really just down the street from our

598
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studio here in burbank it's right here

599
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in the neighborhood

600
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and i looked at it on with that place

601
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,360
that's haunted

602
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,120
right why hasn't there been other

603
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,159
ghost investigation teams uh

604
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,080
jump on this location but we're the

605
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,000
first team to go in and do this aren't

606
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,990
yes so um our staff has reported a lot

607
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of um

608
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you know uh incidents in the past but i

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think

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uh up until recently me specifically um

611
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the leadership has been very

612
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conservative and very uh

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00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,799
close-knit um so with me i i

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i think that uh this is something that

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uh is of interest

616
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not only to your readers i mean to your

617
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,000
viewers but you know to us

618
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,200
what's actually happening and um we

619
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hired for instance

620
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:31,440
a young lady as a receptionist that

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greet you at you come

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as a command to sign you in and

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00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,240
everything and after a few months i

624
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,600
asked her this is last year

625
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,039
how things are going and she said you

626
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,120
know everything is going fine except

627
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,320
over in this one jail section people

628
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,559
uh when they sign out and we ask how

629
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,679
things went they

630
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,840
they usually say that um you know

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something mechanical goes wrong with

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their

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00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,440
uh equipment or it gets extra uh

634
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:59,039
uh cold in there uh they feel a presence

635
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,000
there's something there

636
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:03,760
and uh that's the the area where the

637
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,640
individual that

638
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,679
i mentioned earlier uh uh had committed

639
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,799
suicide

640
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,840
and we've always had issues uh there but

641
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,760
it was interesting to me to hear from

642
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,559
somebody that

643
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,880
had no clue that this was going on in

644
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,640
the past you know so that

645
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:21,200
is what got me uh to raise my eyebrow

646
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,159
thinking you know maybe there's

647
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,760
something here

648
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,679
well we're gonna find out i'm really

649
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,279
looking forward to it and

650
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,200
and bob thank you for taking the time

651
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,960
tonight to come on

652
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,799
and and talk to us about this great

653
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,080
event that's gonna

654
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,000
uh happen this weekend but more than

655
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,480
that thank you for your service

656
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,480
okay thank you so much and be safe out

657
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,080
there

658
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,320
thank you so much thank you bob good

659
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:45,840
night you too bob

660
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:48,880
and that is bob alana's and

661
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,240
bob arrested richard ramirez and

662
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,799
he is a chairman of the board for the

663
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,039
los angeles police museum

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i will be there on saturday night

665
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,360
uh this march uh 27th

666
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,320
the investigation with the dark zone is

667
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,440
going on

668
00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:10,320
friday saturday and sunday and you can

669
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,159
head straight over to

670
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,919
thedarkzone.tv and get your tickets and

671
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:17,520
all the information that you need it's

672
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,559
gonna be great

673
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,399
i'm really looking forward to it thank

674
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,240
you so much bob bob is an

675
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,279
active right now lapd

676
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:28,799
officer and he might be on the job right

677
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,440
now

678
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,440
i was wondering if something was was

679
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,960
going to go down

680
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,880
during his time with us on the show all

681
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,640
right i'm going to take a quick break

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00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,320
this is fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight right

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00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,559
here for the first time

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00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,760
matthew roberts crew member of the uss

686
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:48,480
roosevelt and the carrier group when the

687
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,200
gimbal

688
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,640
and the go fast went down

689
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,399
matthew's gonna join us right after this

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00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,919
short break tomorrow night right here

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eric mitchell

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for the first time wednesday night the

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return

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of terry lovelace i'm your host jimmy

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church

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this is fade to black stay with me i'll

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be right back

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

802
00:36:08,150 --> 00:35:50,000
what's up i'm chris what up this is

803
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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

804
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,280
your host jimmy church i want to thank

805
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,400
bob alana's for coming in

806
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,760
his uh his commitment to this community

807
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,800
of los angeles uh cannot be measured

808
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,480
and he is the chairman of the board over

809
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,480
at the at the museum

810
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,560
and it's going to be a great event this

811
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,480
weekend and for him to take the time

812
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,560
to come in and hang out with all of us

813
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,480
thank you bob for that

814
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,000
uh the website is simple it is the dark

815
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,440
zone dot tv i will be there saturday

816
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,880
night with the team

817
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:43,119
and uh it's gonna be another amazing

818
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:43,920
dark zone

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event and uh tonight right now matthew

820
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,000
roberts

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00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,560
joins us for the first time his first

822
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,599
major media

823
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:54,800
appearance now matthew spent 16 years

824
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:58,160
in naval intelligence in 2015 he was

825
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,040
present

826
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,520
on the theodore roosevelt strike group

827
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,119
for the events that brought us

828
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:06,079
the now declassified gimbal and go fast

829
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,880
uap

830
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,880
footage after those events with the

831
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:10,560
theater roosevelt strike group he

832
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,359
transferred

833
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,920
to his new duty station at the office of

834
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,800
naval intelligence in washington dc

835
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,640
it was during his time at the office of

836
00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:20,000
naval intelligence

837
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,119
that he began to have personal

838
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,599
experiences

839
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,760
with the phenomenon we'll be talking

840
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,200
about all of that tonight

841
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,160
and his new book initiated he left his

842
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,240
job at the office of naval intelligence

843
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,000
in march of 2020

844
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,119
when he ended his 16-year career

845
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,920
uh with the navy his book is available

846
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:41,040
on amazon

847
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,280
the links are over at

848
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,720
jimmychurchradio.com click and get

849
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,960
initiated and now i would like to

850
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:48,320
welcome for the first time to fade to

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black

852
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,040
matthew roberts matt good evening man

853
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,160
how are you

854
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,839
good evening thanks for having me it's

855
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,599
great to be here i'm honored

856
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,480
yeah man now the honor is is is all ours

857
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,119
my man

858
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,920
and before we get started uh you get the

859
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:04,000
first time guest disclaimer

860
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,839
yeah so and it is this matt

861
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,839
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

862
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,680
having a conversation as friends and

863
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,920
where the conversation starts it starts

864
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,680
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

865
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:17,280
end his friends there you go

866
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,880
you ready yeah absolutely now um

867
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,200
so much to talk about tonight we are

868
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,040
going to run out of time

869
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,200
and i'm going to give you a warning now

870
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,280
that at the end of the show

871
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,839
if we're still knee-deep in it uh i'm

872
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,800
gonna keep you

873
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,359
up and you're gonna go late okay all

874
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,880
right yeah sounds great are you down for

875
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,520
that

876
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,720
yeah absolutely now uh i

877
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,720
i don't know if i need to start in the

878
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,160
present day

879
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,400
and i thought about our conversation uh

880
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,680
tonight a lot

881
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,040
i don't know if i wanted to start with

882
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,520
the present day or if i wanted to back

883
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,400
up and and and and start at the

884
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,359
beginning

885
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,960
because we have two interesting

886
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,280
scenarios that are going down right now

887
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,440
we have everything that is happening

888
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,520
uh with the department of defense uh

889
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,280
which you're in front of

890
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:07,440
you just left the office of naval

891
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,320
intelligence

892
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,240
a year ago right this is march of 2021.

893
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,280
so all of this is is fresh

894
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,599
but i want to actually go back i want to

895
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,160
go back before you join the navy

896
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:23,280
okay let's let's start there right

897
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,839
have you ever been interested in the ufo

898
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,079
subject

899
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,119
no i i never had any interest in it

900
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,560
um in fact uh i can remember

901
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,760
several times even as a child you know

902
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,520
some show would come on and they would

903
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,160
start talking about uh you know

904
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,200
experiences and abductions and ufos and

905
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,800
i would just kind of roll my eyes and

906
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,920
change the channel

907
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,760
you know i think i i think a lot of

908
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,520
people have that reaction to it and i

909
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,119
think a lot of people still have that

910
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,960
reaction to it

911
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,640
but of course you know it became much

912
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:58,320
more personal

913
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,520
um when it started happening to me now

914
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:04,079
i i want the audience to know that uh

915
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,800
matt and i

916
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,200
had a chance a couple of weeks ago it's

917
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,640
it's already been two weeks it doesn't

918
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,599
seem like it does it

919
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,079
i know i know but we had a chance to

920
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,280
hang out and talk

921
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,440
for a couple hours maybe even a few

922
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:17,520
hours we went pretty late

923
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,960
and even our discussion um

924
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,000
you can tell that you and i didn't agree

925
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,720
on everything and right and and i i

926
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,480
really enjoyed that conversation

927
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,160
i am we should have you know what we

928
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,319
should have just recorded that

929
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,960
and played that tonight on the show and

930
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,119
taking the night off right

931
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,920
but i want the audience uh to know that

932
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:40,720
um

933
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,319
you are very uh steadfast

934
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,640
and and i really appreciate that and and

935
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,440
so thank you

936
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,079
for uh stepping out and coming forward

937
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,240
and this is a big event tonight

938
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,960
not only for our audience uh but for you

939
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:57,040
to step forward and discuss these things

940
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:57,520
so

941
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,880
in advance i want to thank you for that

942
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,240
so no no interest in ufos your family

943
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,560
did you have a crazy uncle nothing like

944
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,440
that

945
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:10,000
no uh there was there was never any

946
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,560
interest

947
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,680
in this at all growing up um

948
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,599
and and of course there were things that

949
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,359
happened to me when i was young but i

950
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,560
didn't necessarily associate that with

951
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:23,920
uh the phenomenon so so when i heard

952
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,800
people talking about ufos or

953
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,760
alien abductions uh it just seemed so

954
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,640
out there

955
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,880
and i thought these people were just you

956
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,800
know i i kind of had the attitude you

957
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:37,119
know go get your tinfoil hat you know i

958
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,160
think

959
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,280
towards it

960
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
growing up now with what you know now do

961
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,359
you carry some guilt

962
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,400
right do you have garden on you now

963
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,920
i do i do you know because i i just i

964
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,680
can't believe that i ignored this

965
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,640
in the way that i did um my whole life

966
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,280
it did

967
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,680
and you know i i just needed it to smack

968
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,880
me in the face

969
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:04,400
uh before it kind of woke me up

970
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:08,240
you know the um uh the other part of

971
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,640
this

972
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,800
and the reason why i say guilt is

973
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,560
because

974
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,319
especially with the department of

975
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,079
defense in washington

976
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,359
they have taken it upon themselves to

977
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,720
tease and ridicule the ufo community

978
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,599
right it has been their job to discredit

979
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,800
anybody

980
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,200
and the rest of the country kind of goes

981
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:31,040
along with it because they see what's

982
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,240
going on

983
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:35,920
now you know right it's a pretty trippy

984
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,960
feeling that all of these people that

985
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:40,880
have been teased for so long

986
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,400
and kind of put out there as being crazy

987
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,160
are not so crazy are they no not at all

988
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,680
and uh you know i i went through such

989
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:52,640
crazy things

990
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,839
that uh i i really did feel bad

991
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:59,280
that some of these experiencers with

992
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,160
their stories

993
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,880
and and just when i was going through

994
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,520
all of this

995
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,599
i kind of remembered how i would roll my

996
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,040
eyes at it and

997
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:10,400
and just dismiss it so easily you know

998
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,800
and uh that was that was a really hard

999
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,920
realization now you spent okay so now

1000
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,920
let's get a little timeline here 16

1001
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,960
years

1002
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,240
um with uh with the navy and you

1003
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,680
carried a top secret clearance of course

1004
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:30,240
we'll get into your mos and what you

1005
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,040
actually did

1006
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,400
in the navy in just a minute but

1007
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,359
the roosevelt was 2015. so that's six

1008
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,400
years ago

1009
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,480
so let's back this up for a second

1010
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,760
there's a 10-year

1011
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,240
chunk of you being in the navy where

1012
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,920
you're going through training you

1013
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,599
probably went through great lakes

1014
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,480
right yes and which everybody does uh

1015
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,680
when you get into the navy you go

1016
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:53,119
through great lakes you go through your

1017
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,240
training

1018
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,280
which is extensive that 10-year

1019
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,079
period leading up to 2015 that 10-year

1020
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,440
period

1021
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,480
what does the navy say about ufos was

1022
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,079
there anything in your training

1023
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,280
was there anything there at all no

1024
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,319
you know there was nothing uh i i

1025
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,160
never was witness to any kind of

1026
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,319
encounter in that 10-year period

1027
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,760
i i kind of held the same attitude

1028
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:21,599
towards ufos there was nothing in our

1029
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,000
training

1030
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:25,440
telling us if this happens uh do this

1031
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,880
you know there were that that was never

1032
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,280
discussed and and to be honest with you

1033
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,480
that was the last thing

1034
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,200
ever on my mind um that it was not

1035
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,640
something that i would have expected

1036
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:37,599
would happen

1037
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,480
now uh when you first got into the navy

1038
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,599
uh uh what what what was your mos what

1039
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:46,800
was your initial chan

1040
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,640
uh uh training for uh cryptology so i

1041
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,400
was i was a cryptologist

1042
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,680
from the go from really from jump street

1043
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:57,119
a cryptologist

1044
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,359
yes okay so security clearances from

1045
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,400
from day one yeah

1046
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,880
absolutely and and take us through that

1047
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,640
process when you go through a security

1048
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,079
clearance

1049
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,359
oh it's you know it's it's extensive uh

1050
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,880
you have to fill out this

1051
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,000
um long long form

1052
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,240
about your entire background they talk

1053
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,440
to everybody

1054
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,040
they'll go back to your elementary

1055
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,480
school right

1056
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,079
you know and they'll talk to elementary

1057
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:27,599
school teachers it is

1058
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,160
it is intense and it is very in-depth um

1059
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,040
so if there was any kind of craziness in

1060
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,400
my past

1061
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:39,359
they definitely would have found that

1062
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,160
and

1063
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,359
were you nervous no i wasn't nervous at

1064
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,040
all i mean i knew i wasn't

1065
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,560
crazy i knew i wasn't uh you know i i

1066
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,319
was kind of a you know i was a pillar of

1067
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,400
the community you know i didn't

1068
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:55,280
i didn't do anything to excess i wasn't

1069
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,480
a bad person

1070
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,160
you know so i there was nothing i was

1071
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,160
worried that they were gonna find

1072
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,839
because there's really nothing to hide

1073
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,359
you know oh man

1074
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,870
i got tons of so you weren't worried

1075
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,000
about that

1076
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,119
no okay so you get your

1077
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,359
security clearance are there different

1078
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,480
levels look

1079
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:19,119
i'm asking you directly because we hear

1080
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,240
the stories

1081
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,400
oh there's this clear there's a q

1082
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:23,680
clearance there's a this

1083
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:27,440
a k a p and f um are there different

1084
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,040
stages of security clearances

1085
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,920
uh yes absolutely you know and there are

1086
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,520
different things that you have to do for

1087
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,800
those different clearances

1088
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,200
so like for for a secret clearance for

1089
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,560
instance it's just uh

1090
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,319
there's a background check and a little

1091
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,000
bit of investigation to make sure that

1092
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,079
you've never been in trouble

1093
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,319
but then you go for your ts and that

1094
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,240
gets a little bit more intensive

1095
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,079
uh and they start interviewing people in

1096
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,359
your past uh

1097
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,480
ts being top secret yes i'm guessing

1098
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,359
here

1099
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:00,400
okay okay so ts top secret

1100
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,000
and is what's above top secret

1101
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,400
uh well there's i you know it's kind of

1102
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,359
difficult to

1103
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,880
explain but there's really there's not

1104
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,880
anything above top secret that's what

1105
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,760
i've heard

1106
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,760
it's more just you know within top

1107
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,800
secret there are

1108
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,960
compartments and you can be read into

1109
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,680
certain programs and there may be

1110
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,960
um you know things that uh it more

1111
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,280
extensive background investigations that

1112
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,960
have to happen before you can be read

1113
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,960
into a certain program so there there is

1114
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,920
that

1115
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,480
and uh and you can stop me at any point

1116
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:33,839
if i'm going too far

1117
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,440
but i'm gonna press as far as i can go

1118
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,079
okay so you get your top secret did you

1119
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:42,720
have other security clearances

1120
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,079
besides top secret uh

1121
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,839
you know i i don't really want to get

1122
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,200
into

1123
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,800
what exactly i did

1124
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,119
that that's fine so the answer is yes

1125
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,520
but you can't talk about it

1126
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,520
well i just i just don't want to even go

1127
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,119
there that's

1128
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,880
that's that's going to be the answer i'm

1129
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:04,559
sorry about it that that's fine that's

1130
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,040
fine

1131
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,079
okay so now um

1132
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,319
a couple of fun questions as you're

1133
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,240
going through this

1134
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,440
um was there ever i don't i'm not going

1135
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,119
to ask you any national security

1136
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,480
questions or anything like that

1137
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,599
but did anything ever come uh across

1138
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:24,400
your desk or did you ever hear chatter

1139
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,319
about ufos or uaps anywhere

1140
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,200
leading up to yes uh and you're talking

1141
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:32,720
about this 10-year period yes

1142
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,160
yes no nothing nothing ever uh

1143
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
and and not that wasn't surprising you

1144
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:40,800
know nothing ever

1145
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:44,000
i never heard anything and

1146
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:48,240
what um uh especially with a carrier

1147
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,119
strike group

1148
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:52,160
i would assume

1149
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,240
that the captain of the strike group

1150
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,000
is a pretty powerful guy how many

1151
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,000
how many crew members on the various

1152
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,119
vessels of which

1153
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,520
there must be dozens how many crew

1154
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,359
members are we talking about that fall

1155
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,559
under under under that

1156
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,599
that command oh man i mean

1157
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,280
uh so you're talking about like maybe

1158
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,960
the admiral of the strike group right

1159
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,400
you have the admiral of the strike group

1160
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,000
then you have you have the carrier you

1161
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,839
have multiple destroyers you've got

1162
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,720
submarines you've got missile you know

1163
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,319
you've got frigates

1164
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,559
so what are we talking about 20 000

1165
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,440
probably

1166
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,160
crew uh well i would say i would say

1167
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:32,960
it's probably

1168
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:36,000
above well i mean on on the carrier

1169
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,280
itself you've got

1170
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,160
you know five thousand yeah and then on

1171
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,079
these smaller ships you may have like

1172
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:43,680
300 or so

1173
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:46,400
right yeah and it it adds up pretty

1174
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,040
quick

1175
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:50,960
yeah yeah it's quite a few people and so

1176
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,319
when the command

1177
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,520
of a strike group likes like this

1178
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,559
and an incident happens with the uap

1179
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,160
ufo whatever you want to call it

1180
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:03,839
something that's not ours

1181
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,880
that can't be unidentified is this

1182
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,510
uh you know i don't know i i don't know

1183
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:15,200
where it would be logged

1184
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,640
um i have seen

1185
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,880
um you know some new things online

1186
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:21,920
coming about

1187
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:25,040
uh about you know uh various foia

1188
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,240
requests for

1189
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:29,280
deck logs i never stood any deck watch

1190
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,079
so

1191
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,839
i i don't know if they were logging

1192
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,119
these things or not

1193
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,160
um to be honest with you uh but uh

1194
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:38,160
you know now there are these foia

1195
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,200
requests

1196
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,520
uh and and these deck logs are being

1197
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,680
made public and some of them do

1198
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,440
you know indicate that there was some

1199
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,000
kind of uap event

1200
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,160
now um and the other part of this

1201
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,839
is that if things

1202
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:58,319
do continue to get elevated like they

1203
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,359
are with the media

1204
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,680
and the uap task force and everything

1205
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:03,760
that's happening right now

1206
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,880
is it possible that this

1207
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:09,200
paperwork could be subpoenaed at some

1208
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,319
point and

1209
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,440
and we can actually see what was

1210
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,480
going on on these dates oh i

1211
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,800
you know i am the wrong person to ask

1212
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,680
that i

1213
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:22,079
don't know what what would be subpoenaed

1214
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,880
or what what

1215
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,359
could be subpoenaed i i would imagine

1216
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,280
that congressional oversight they can do

1217
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,640
whatever they want

1218
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:31,359
uh whether or not that's open to the

1219
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,160
public

1220
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,440
um is another question i think uh

1221
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:38,000
because there are all kinds of you know

1222
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,880
um

1223
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,400
things that can happen where they'll

1224
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,240
subpoena documents

1225
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,880
uh to congress and and if those aren't

1226
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:46,720
if those are classified obviously i

1227
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,040
think

1228
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,800
congress is gonna continue to keep that

1229
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,559
a secret i don't

1230
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:53,359
i don't know why that would change now

1231
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:53,760
uh

1232
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:58,480
incident

1233
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:01,920
um now it's 2015 um

1234
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,359
leading up to things uh before well i'm

1235
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:06,640
gonna let you tell

1236
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:10,240
uh the story here but was there anything

1237
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,440
else strange

1238
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:14,800
that was that that happened leading

1239
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:19,760
up to uh the gimbal and the go fast

1240
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,119
um well

1241
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,160
i you know i i

1242
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,400
i don't know that i can really get into

1243
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,760
too much of that

1244
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:32,880
um well hold on before you answer

1245
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,040
let me ask you this as a cryptographer

1246
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:40,400
what was your what was your daily duty

1247
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:44,319
what did you what did that entail

1248
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,800
um well you know honestly i can't even

1249
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:51,520
go there either i mean everything i did

1250
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:54,559
24 hours a day was behind a closed door

1251
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,240
um and it was classified right

1252
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,040
but but and that's great that's the

1253
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,480
perfect answer

1254
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,440
my question is uh you know just

1255
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:07,920
cryptographers got all kinds of secret

1256
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:11,200
spy versus spy connotations that are

1257
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,240
tied to it

1258
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:15,520
it's really cool um but in

1259
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,559
what i'm wondering is with that job did

1260
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,599
did the chatter filter through you

1261
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,079
or was your job not associated with that

1262
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:25,920
is is the question

1263
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,280
uh yeah my job so you know that's kind

1264
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,480
of a difficult question

1265
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,240
because i i think that i don't know that

1266
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,920
may have happened had we been

1267
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,800
in real operations but we were you know

1268
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,599
we were

1269
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,720
conducting training operations so so

1270
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:44,079
this was all about training

1271
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,160
it wasn't uh it wasn't real life so

1272
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,640
i i don't know if that would have hit my

1273
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:51,680
desk or not

1274
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,440
interesting and now

1275
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,839
uh the understanding is in a general

1276
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:58,880
sense

1277
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,079
that you guys were off of the east coast

1278
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:03,920
of florida correct

1279
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,119
yes uh what part of florida

1280
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,880
uh we were off the coast of jacksonville

1281
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,640
after so you were

1282
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,720
where you should have been right that's

1283
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,079
one of the biggest naval

1284
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,079
installations in in the world right

1285
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:18,319
there off in jacksonville

1286
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,960
how far offshore was the strike group

1287
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,680
uh you know i think that getting into

1288
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,319
that

1289
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,880
might be getting into some classifieds

1290
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,559
so

1291
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,079
it's a training mission yeah it is but

1292
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,000
you know so i it's

1293
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,000
whenever you're talking about a ship's

1294
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,640
position or where a ship normally goes

1295
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,440
for these types of operations at getting

1296
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,400
into specific locations i think

1297
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,599
might get into uh

1298
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,440
something that might be classified so

1299
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,119
okay uh because

1300
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,480
the reason why i'm asking is that

1301
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:01,920
was it in international waters or was

1302
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:05,119
it in national waters

1303
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,319
uh you know i i just i i don't wanna

1304
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,240
i don't wanna say could you see the

1305
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,480
coast of the united states

1306
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:15,040
no you couldn't okay all right good

1307
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:16,079
enough i'm gonna

1308
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:20,960
i'll get it all out of you man

1309
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,319
okay so you guys are off the coast

1310
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,359
of florida uh jacksonville

1311
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,359
you can't see the united states from

1312
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:30,799
where you are

1313
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,760
and there wasn't much chatter like in

1314
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,000
the

1315
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,839
week or two leading up to this like

1316
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:37,280
there wasn't any other

1317
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,359
strange sightings that anybody had no

1318
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,680
you know and i'm referring to like what

1319
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:45,680
happened with the nimitz there were

1320
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,960
weeks of things that led up to

1321
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,200
uh the big event but in the case of the

1322
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:53,680
uss roosevelt the strike group there

1323
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,119
there wasn't a anything in advance

1324
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,240
no and one okay so

1325
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:03,040
when was the first what was the one when

1326
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,920
did you first

1327
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,119
hear about the the events um so

1328
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,400
you know i in my shop we had wrapped up

1329
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:13,520
our portion of our testing um for this

1330
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,440
exercise uh and so i i was just kind of

1331
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,119
we were kind of taking it easy a little

1332
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:21,920
bit in the shop we were waiting to

1333
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,760
be debriefed about our performance um

1334
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:29,040
and uh you know someone else

1335
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,880
from another part of intel on the ship

1336
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,400
came up to me and said hey

1337
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:36,160
you know check this out you're not gonna

1338
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,440
believe this

1339
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,640
um so he you know he told me where to

1340
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,640
find it i pulled it up on my computer

1341
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:44,720
and started watching it and it was

1342
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,000
uh it was the same footage that is

1343
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,520
now public um it was the gimbal footage

1344
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,359
that was the first video i saw i next

1345
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:54,720
watched

1346
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,400
the um go fast footage

1347
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:01,680
and this this other

1348
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,440
officer or crew member what did he

1349
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,400
say i know he said check this out did he

1350
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,160
say anything else

1351
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,040
did he say ufo dude little green man

1352
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,040
mars attacks

1353
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,119
you know i don't really to be honest

1354
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,040
with you i don't really remember what he

1355
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:21,200
said because

1356
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,400
in in watching this i was it was just so

1357
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:29,760
it was so just immediately shocking

1358
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,839
um that i i just it was like it was

1359
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,400
it was like zoning out all of a sudden

1360
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,760
you know something had just

1361
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,319
a shovel had hit me in the face you know

1362
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,400
and and you can't even hear what's going

1363
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:43,680
on around you

1364
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,720
all you can see is the screen in front

1365
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,280
of you

1366
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:48,960
and you are seeing something that you

1367
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,079
cannot believe

1368
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,000
we're going to take a quick break right

1369
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,480
here but i'll set this up for our return

1370
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,799
um this is the first time you saw the

1371
00:58:05,109 --> 00:57:59,920
footage

1372
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,119
how old was it by the time you got to

1373
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,710
you know i i don't i don't exactly

1374
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,839
remember

1375
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,839
i don't know i mean was it the day

1376
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,760
before

1377
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,640
uh it was it was it was around the same

1378
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:19,599
time it was within

1379
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:23,680
a day or two i think um

1380
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:26,799
from what i remember now um at that

1381
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,599
point

1382
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:30,480
uh when you're looking at the footage

1383
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,119
did you

1384
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:34,640
think that you knew who the pilot was

1385
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,559
no no i i i they're they're you know the

1386
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,720
air wing is on board and there are so

1387
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,319
many pilots that

1388
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,440
and and you never i in debriefs and

1389
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:47,119
things like that you never hear all of

1390
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,319
them speak you don't

1391
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,839
get to know everybody but uh

1392
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,760
but i can tell you when i when i watch

1393
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,599
the show unidentified that i did

1394
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,640
recognize them

1395
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,559
from the ship because i would see the

1396
00:59:01,349 --> 00:59:00,240
pilots coming and going from the flight

1397
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,359
deck all the time

1398
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:04,720
sure um they had just in passing in the

1399
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,960
p

1400
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:07,359
waves and stuff and so i they were i did

1401
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,319
recognize them

1402
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:11,839
from the ship what's a p way uh it's

1403
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,640
just it's

1404
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:15,119
what we call a hallway on a ship

1405
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:16,000
passageway

1406
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,040
about p ways a lot tonight everybody so

1407
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we need to need to let them know what

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we're talking about all right well matt

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stay right there we've got a lot more to

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discuss this is fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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tonight with us for the first time

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matthew roberts matthew was a crew

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when the events went down back in 2015

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black stay with us

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[Music]

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01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:06,160
welcome back fade to black i am your

1545
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:07,839
host jimmy church tonight matthew

1546
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,480
roberts

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01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,799
is here he's a crew member aboard the

1548
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:12,400
uss roosevelt

1549
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,280
and the strike group when the events

1550
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:18,160
went down in 2015 with the now famous

1551
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,280
infamous gimbal and go fast uap

1552
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,280
footage i want to remind everybody

1553
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,520
tomorrow night eric mitchell is here

1554
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,520
you're not going to want to miss that

1555
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,680
and again for the first time

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01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,760
and then wednesday night terry lovelace

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01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,440
is back and i'm really looking forward

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01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,200
to that thursday night of course

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01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,480
is another uh fade to black fader night

1560
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,480
with open lines all night long tonight

1561
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,400
it's matthew roberts and matt

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01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,520
um staying on this uh

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01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:48,319
specific day now you're uh you're

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01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:48,880
looking

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01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,079
at these uh two videos

1566
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,119
um and i know that i asked you know was

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01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,960
uh did the incident happen the day

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01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,599
before and you're guessing that you know

1569
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,240
this footage is fresh right this is this

1570
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,720
is all very recent how many times did

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01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,240
you watch that footage

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01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,359
that first time through oh i

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01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,599
you know i don't even remember it was it

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01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,920
was a lot i kept playing it over and

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01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,359
over again

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01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,520
and in fact you know on the subsequent

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01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,720
deployment

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01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:20,880
um i would pull it up and just look at

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01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:24,799
it you know because i thought it was so

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01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,319
just surreal and fascinating

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01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,400
i was just absolutely memorized but

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01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,559
mesmerized by it i mean it was it was

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01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,640
it was incredible to watch and i and i

1584
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:36,000
couldn't make sense

1585
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:39,440
of how this thing was moving in the sky

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01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:43,440
because i couldn't see you know signs of

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01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,480
propulsion there

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01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:47,520
if you see if you see a jet in this same

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01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,200
you know in the same type of footage

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uh you could you will clearly see a huge

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01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:55,599
exhaust

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plume of heat you know and and in

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01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,640
looking at this there was none of that

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01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:01,920
and it didn't seem to have

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01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:05,760
wings so it was

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01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,839
puzzling um to say the least and

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01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,920
uh something that i noticed though is

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that uh my immediate co-workers i can't

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speak for what was happening up the

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chain of the command i don't i don't

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i wasn't privy to that i don't know but

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i can speak for the people that i

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01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:24,880
immediately worked with they were just

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01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,079
very uninterested in it now

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01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:31,119
that that's a very crazy point

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01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,640
right where they didn't they didn't get

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01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,480
the vibe that you did

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01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:37,920
and i'm sure that that was pretty

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01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,799
confusing to you what was the chatter

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01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,760
like

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on board the ship you know in the

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01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,119
cafeteria around the food

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01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,760
the water cooler kind of thing what what

1614
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,680
was that chatter like

1615
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,839
so for the most part there was no

1616
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:53,359
chatter about it

1617
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,720
uh i found myself uh

1618
01:08:02,870 --> 01:07:59,760
just wanting to be immersed in this

1619
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,880
uh and wanting to figure this out

1620
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,880
and people around me were just kind of

1621
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:06,880
like oh you know are you watching that

1622
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,359
again

1623
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:10,640
what are you doing you know uh

1624
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:13,760
but yeah i mean did you i i did hear

1625
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:17,920
it mentioned um you know in one of our

1626
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,279
closed door spaces there were two pilots

1627
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,600
um who were standing in a doorway and

1628
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,440
they were talking to each other and they

1629
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:26,640
said

1630
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,319
you know um hey did you see the ufo

1631
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,440
footage

1632
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:33,440
and the other one says yeah yeah i saw

1633
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,080
it you know but at this time i was like

1634
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:39,040
i was taken off i just because i you

1635
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,359
know

1636
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,759
for me i had this i and i don't i i

1637
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:43,440
didn't understand it at the time but it

1638
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,159
was this

1639
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:47,440
incredibly powerful

1640
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:52,159
emotional experience for me to sit

1641
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:55,600
and um and watch this footage

1642
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,640
and so uh you know and any mention of it

1643
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:01,040
and i was just like you know i'm i'm

1644
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,000
getting out of here

1645
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,520
you know and so that's that was kind of

1646
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,120
my attitude when i heard them talking

1647
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:06,960
about i just threw my eyes at the floor

1648
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,400
and what was that

1649
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:12,960
that's very interesting the the pilot

1650
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:15,279
that asked the question that's one thing

1651
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,000
what was the reaction of the other pilot

1652
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,799
you know he uh he said you know i yeah i

1653
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,520
watched it

1654
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,279
and you know then it kind of turned into

1655
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:26,960
mumbling as i was quickly

1656
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,199
uh making my way out of there um

1657
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,359
but yeah but yeah people were talking

1658
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,040
about it um

1659
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,120
but but that was the only mention of it

1660
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,359
i had ever heard outside

1661
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,400
of just me talking to other people

1662
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,120
um that i worked with about it and now

1663
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:49,199
why do you think they were dismissive

1664
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,560
you know i i think that that's

1665
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:55,199
i i think that that speaks to a greater

1666
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:55,760
truth

1667
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,760
about all of this uh i think that

1668
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,000
i think that deep down we all kind of

1669
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,320
know what this is

1670
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,199
and that um if we're not ready for it

1671
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:09,040
then it won't speak to us

1672
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:11,679
we'll just we're gonna ignore it and

1673
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,239
just

1674
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,320
toss it to the side and i think that

1675
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,800
that that is why

1676
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,400
there has been this reaction in the

1677
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,800
public that is just

1678
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,520
very kind of disconnected and

1679
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:25,920
uninterested in this topic

1680
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,440
um and i think that that's what's what's

1681
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,880
happening with that

1682
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:33,520
uh yeah not so much now but maybe back

1683
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,320
then

1684
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:36,640
certainly there's a great interest uh

1685
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,440
today and i'm

1686
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:40,080
i'm sure you're surprised after all of

1687
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,440
the dismissiveness

1688
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,760
with your own experience and who you

1689
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:44,960
spoke to

1690
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,480
versus today where this is this is front

1691
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,920
and center all the way up

1692
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,920
to the senate intelligence committee and

1693
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,679
beyond

1694
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,840
yeah i mean i i and i think it does

1695
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:57,679
deserve that kind of attention

1696
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:00,719
for sure uh um

1697
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,159
but you know i think i think even still

1698
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:07,040
with the general public at large i think

1699
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,239
that

1700
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,440
there's kind of a disinterest in this

1701
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,199
topic

1702
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,360
would you not agree with that i had not

1703
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,040
not from where i'm sitting

1704
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,880
and yeah and i've been involved with it

1705
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:20,800
uh for a long time

1706
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,640
in that i feel free to talk about it

1707
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,320
without ridicule

1708
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,400
yeah right it wasn't that way in the

1709
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:30,159
past for sure

1710
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,000
um now uh okay a couple of specific

1711
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:36,000
questions

1712
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,239
with there are some coincidences here

1713
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,960
uh of course we've got uh 10 years of

1714
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,159
time

1715
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:47,120
but the nimitz is on this coast and it's

1716
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,080
strike group

1717
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:51,520
it has an incident right okay

1718
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:54,640
and then the roosevelt is on the other

1719
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,199
coast

1720
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,040
but it's another strike group that also

1721
01:12:02,709 --> 01:11:59,600
has an incident

1722
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:02,719
is there anything that connects

1723
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:10,790
connects them well i mean obviously

1724
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,400
they're both naval um

1725
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:17,600
strike groups um but i

1726
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,560
other than that i'm not sure that there

1727
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:22,159
really is much uh

1728
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,189
it's kind of hard to

1729
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,239
say that these two i mean i guess i

1730
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,600
guess they are the same

1731
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,600
you know i mean we were both doing our

1732
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,920
workups uh we were both in our work up

1733
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,360
cycles

1734
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,520
uh just on opposite ends of the country

1735
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,199
so so there is a lot

1736
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,239
of similarity there um but what that

1737
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:51,440
means i i i don't know that i

1738
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:54,480
really could could say i mean i and

1739
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,239
and why um why the navy

1740
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,159
why the navy marines are having their

1741
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:01,600
exercises

1742
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:04,000
right the army has their exercise the

1743
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:05,199
coast guard

1744
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,120
does something once in a while there we

1745
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,600
we have the coast guard well uh and you

1746
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:12,800
know in the army

1747
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,840
um but why the navy

1748
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,480
and why out in the water off of two

1749
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,600
coasts

1750
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,800
with with the events that you have to

1751
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,800
step back and go something is going on

1752
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,679
here

1753
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,840
but it's it seems like it's the navy why

1754
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,360
isn't it the air force you know why is

1755
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,679
it just the navy

1756
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,760
well i mean i think it is also the air

1757
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:35,520
force you know there are these

1758
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:39,040
uh eyewitnesses that terry lovelace is a

1759
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:40,640
perfect example you're going to have him

1760
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:41,120
on

1761
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:45,120
air force

1762
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:48,480
uh and there are all kinds of

1763
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,520
uh accounts of these things flying over

1764
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:54,000
nuclear missile silos and things of that

1765
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,960
nature

1766
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,520
yeah and and oh i totally get that part

1767
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,239
of it yeah

1768
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,239
but um i'm talking about the senate

1769
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:01,840
intelligence committee

1770
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:04,480
and everything everything is it's it's

1771
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,199
it's all

1772
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,320
navy uh right now it

1773
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,159
there isn't any conversation about what

1774
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,239
the air force has seen or what their

1775
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:15,040
you know or the or the marines or or the

1776
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,080
army

1777
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:19,040
is where in the past it has been nearly

1778
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:19,280
an

1779
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:23,840
about with ufos

1780
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,800
now today it's it's the navy why do you

1781
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,280
think that is

1782
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:32,000
you know i don't know i i don't know i

1783
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,280
don't know the answer to that

1784
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,960
that that you know that kind of a

1785
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:36,880
decision would be well above my pay

1786
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:37,520
grade

1787
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,719
uh i don't know now uh

1788
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,080
and and and going back to the nimitz

1789
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,320
um and with the crew members of the

1790
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,120
princeton and on the nimitz where there

1791
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:51,760
was a lot of conversation and testimony

1792
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,640
about

1793
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,280
uh helicopters arriving men in suits

1794
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:56,960
hard drives being pulled

1795
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,719
evidence being uh taken off of the ship

1796
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,360
and gone

1797
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,000
somewhere nobody knows where anything

1798
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,280
like that happened with the roosevelt

1799
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:10,000
no i mean they're not that i know of

1800
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:11,120
anyway

1801
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:14,800
i i certainly didn't see any of that um

1802
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:18,480
but i i think that i i but that could be

1803
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:19,440
just because

1804
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:23,120
you know i obviously um this footage was

1805
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,159
obtained

1806
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,320
uh by the pentagon otherwise it couldn't

1807
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,840
have been released

1808
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,960
um from there but but i think i i i

1809
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:32,000
think

1810
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,280
you know the fact that it was so much

1811
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,199
later also speaks the fact that

1812
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,920
a lot of this stuff is digital now so

1813
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,679
you know you don't have to

1814
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,600
you don't have to necessarily go in and

1815
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:42,800
pull

1816
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:46,560
um boards and things like that um

1817
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:49,679
you can just kind of send these things

1818
01:15:54,650 --> 01:15:53,199
in other ways digitally you know the

1819
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,660
uh

1820
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,280
[Music]

1821
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,560
there must have been everything that

1822
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:01,840
happened with the nimitz

1823
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:04,960
would happen with your strike group as

1824
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:07,280
well and i'm talking about

1825
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:11,040
radar operators uh radar evidence

1826
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:14,480
other uh signal intelligence that goes

1827
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,880
on

1828
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,960
with your strike group happens with any

1829
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,239
strike group

1830
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,560
right so it's not just the footage it's

1831
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,320
everything else too as well

1832
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,360
right you would have you can assume that

1833
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,679
that same stuff happened with the

1834
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:29,679
roosevelt

1835
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:32,800
i i would assume so um

1836
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,320
you know and i talked to people about

1837
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,880
that but nobody seemed to have

1838
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,960
i mean i mean i reached out to those

1839
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,400
people and and

1840
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,719
none of them really remember this

1841
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,600
happening

1842
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,760
uh and and honestly i'm going to tell

1843
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:50,080
you uh this is

1844
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,520
this is what i'm talking about when

1845
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:54,080
people are just very uninterested in it

1846
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,679
uh a lot of the people that i talked to

1847
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:57,199
who would have known and would have

1848
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,320
worked on that

1849
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:01,120
uh at the time just had no recollection

1850
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:02,080
of it whatsoever

1851
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,440
and they didn't even know what i was

1852
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,640
talking about they were like what

1853
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,520
footage

1854
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,000
what do you mean you know and then i

1855
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,520
have to you know send them the new york

1856
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:11,280
times article and then they're like oh

1857
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,480
yeah

1858
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:14,400
whatever you know i don't i don't really

1859
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:15,600
even remember that

1860
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,800
now is it because that some uh uh

1861
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:20,719
some that you have spoken to are still

1862
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,470
i you know i don't think so i i i really

1863
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:28,560
just think that they don't remember it

1864
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:32,320
and um and at the time they didn't care

1865
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,560
you know why is

1866
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,840
what would explain uh with the nimitz

1867
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,120
which was

1868
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:44,239
uh quite a long time ago 16 years ago

1869
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:47,520
now 17 years ago 2004

1870
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:51,920
this is 2021. those crew members

1871
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,040
have no problems coming forward

1872
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,400
why hasn't that happened again with

1873
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,480
the roosevelt why don't we see the same

1874
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,239
thing

1875
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,600
um you know i think i think the

1876
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,000
roosevelt was a little bit too recent

1877
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,360
um people haven't retired yet um

1878
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,800
from that experience uh so i i i fully

1879
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:15,040
expect that there probably will be more

1880
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,199
at some point um but i haven't been able

1881
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:20,800
to personally find any of those

1882
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,600
individuals

1883
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,679
who who who were the pilots that were

1884
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:24,960
involved with the the go

1885
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:28,400
fast and the gimbal i i don't know

1886
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:32,400
i i i i wouldn't recognize them by their

1887
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:32,880
voice

1888
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,480
i i have no idea who they were yeah i to

1889
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:38,400
my knowledge i don't know if anybody has

1890
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:39,600
come forward yet

1891
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:42,880
have they uh i don't think so i

1892
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:45,600
i think uh i think in watching

1893
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,719
unidentified

1894
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,960
i think lou elizondo was trying to get

1895
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:50,880
one of them to come forward and they

1896
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,600
they opted not to right probably because

1897
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,960
they're still active duty

1898
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:57,600
i would think yeah and you know if

1899
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,480
you're a pilot

1900
01:19:01,669 --> 01:19:00,480
you don't want to be labeled crazy i

1901
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,679
mean that's your

1902
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:03,520
that's your bread and butter you know

1903
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:05,120
and if you're labeled crazy you can't

1904
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,239
fly anymore

1905
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,440
woodys that's yeah yeah and now

1906
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:11,679
when you look at uh putting the gimbal

1907
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,560
footage as

1908
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,960
aside now i'll keep my opinions out of

1909
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,560
this conversation

1910
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:18,320
uh but putting that aside when you look

1911
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:20,840
at the go fast

1912
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:23,360
video what what do you what do you think

1913
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:24,320
you're looking at

1914
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:28,480
there uh you know i don't know what it

1915
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:28,960
is

1916
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:32,480
uh i i it was it would be something that

1917
01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:32,960
i would

1918
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:35,150
classify as a uap

1919
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:37,040
[Music]

1920
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,280
it's uh it's really unlike anything i've

1921
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:42,719
ever seen before

1922
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,000
is the footage that you saw on board the

1923
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,600
roosevelt

1924
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,159
is it the same length or did you see

1925
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,280
longer versions of these videos

1926
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,840
no it was it's the exact same footage uh

1927
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:57,600
i i never saw a longer

1928
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,960
version i never saw anything that was

1929
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,199
more clear than what has been released

1930
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:05,520
um it is exactly how i remember it

1931
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:06,800
that's how you remember it

1932
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:10,480
and so when they have a conversation

1933
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,400
um in in the radio uh uh conversation

1934
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,480
between the pilots when they said

1935
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,679
there's a whole fleet of them yeah

1936
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,840
right but we we never see that in the

1937
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,920
video so you never saw a fleet of

1938
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:25,199
anything

1939
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,719
no no but you know on again on the show

1940
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,639
i unidentified one of the pilots

1941
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:33,280
uh you know he explains what that means

1942
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:33,679
what

1943
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:40,719
um right and

1944
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,390
well i think that indicated that there

1945
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:47,920
were others

1946
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,960
there were other craft um probably

1947
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,239
similar

1948
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,199
if not the same as this one um do you

1949
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,040
think that there's additional footage

1950
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,040
of all of these incidents i know that

1951
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:00,960
you saw the two

1952
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,000
but the there there must be

1953
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,480
lots more footage of not only both of

1954
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:08,560
these but others as well

1955
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,679
that the pentagon hasn't released uh you

1956
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,280
mean from like other ins

1957
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,440
no i mean specifically with the go fast

1958
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,520
in in the gimbal

1959
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,280
uh you know it honestly it wouldn't

1960
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:20,960
surprise me if there's more

1961
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,880
but um i don't know i didn't see more

1962
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,880
you know if that if that makes any sense

1963
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,400
so i can't i can't really answer that

1964
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,080
and it's not that i'm being

1965
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:33,120
um no i understand anything i just i i

1966
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,000
don't know

1967
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:36,719
no i i like that it would not surprise

1968
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,040
me

1969
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:40,320
if there is more now how long uh

1970
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:43,520
were you um on uh

1971
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:47,679
uh alma said stationed how long were you

1972
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:50,960
on the roosevelt uh total

1973
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,840
yes uh so i was on the roosevelt for

1974
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,199
probably

1975
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:58,320
two years and then we did a hull swap

1976
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,360
and a home port shift uh with the george

1977
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,560
washington

1978
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,719
so the whole crew just jumped on another

1979
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,000
carrier

1980
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,400
yeah yeah i gotcha so we did our

1981
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,000
deployment around the world

1982
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,320
uh left norfolk you know and then pulled

1983
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:13,840
back into san diego

1984
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:17,679
and then we all left san diego and um

1985
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,120
landed on the george washington so the

1986
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:23,920
incident itself the gimbal and and the

1987
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,239
go

1988
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:27,040
fast uh with your two years on the

1989
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,920
roosevelt

1990
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,920
what part of the two years did the

1991
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:32,639
incident happen

1992
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,639
uh it was it was probably around

1993
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,960
well it was a little more than midway

1994
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:41,520
midway so you spent another year on the

1995
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,239
roosevelt

1996
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,440
is what i'm getting at yeah yeah yeah uh

1997
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,600
because immediately after that you know

1998
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,679
we went into our

1999
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:52,480
uh our deployment and and that would

2000
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,840
like i said that was an around the world

2001
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,199
deployment so it took a little bit

2002
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,239
longer we were on that for nine months

2003
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,080
uh and then when we pulled into san

2004
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:02,560
diego there was some time that we kind

2005
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:02,880
of

2006
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,199
mean i i didn't get home

2007
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:10,560
until maybe 10 or 11 months later

2008
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,840
so for the for the next year

2009
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,000
what was the environment like not only

2010
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:18,239
for you personally but for everybody

2011
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,520
else did the ufo chatter continue uh

2012
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,480
over the next year uh how did that how

2013
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:25,840
did that go

2014
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,040
no it i i had not heard

2015
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:31,760
anything you know until i will say

2016
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:32,400
though that

2017
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,560
you know uh the pilots on

2018
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:39,120
unidentified talked about how they came

2019
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:39,679
back

2020
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:43,199
when we were in the middle east and

2021
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:46,840
uh i can kind of confirm that because

2022
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,239
i i was busy with my own work

2023
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,400
you know sometimes i would work 20 hours

2024
01:24:09,750 --> 01:23:54,080
a day no joke

2025
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,870
kind of passing he kind of gives me this

2026
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:16,080
crazy look and he says they're back and

2027
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:17,679
i was like what

2028
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,800
are you serious you know uh and

2029
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,639
but like i said i was busy so i didn't

2030
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,000
stop and

2031
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,320
talk to him about anything i just you

2032
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:27,920
know went on about my business

2033
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,199
i had 10 million other things to do um

2034
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,679
that were occupying my time where where

2035
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:35,360
uh what part of the world were you guys

2036
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,629
i i don't know why i mean

2037
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:44,560
we were we were in the middle we

2038
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,679
probably

2039
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,520
i don't know if we were in the gulf or

2040
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:49,520
just outside the gulf we were around

2041
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:53,360
that area you know i'm sorry say that

2042
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,239
again

2043
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:56,400
i i can't remember if we were in the

2044
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,159
gulf or outside the gulf

2045
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,440
or you know where exactly in the world

2046
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,600
we were but we were we were in that

2047
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:06,800
uh kind of general vicinity okay

2048
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:10,080
so and and what is interesting here is

2049
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,120
that

2050
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:14,000
uh we're not talking about the east

2051
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,679
coast of the united states now

2052
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,360
we're talking about halfway around the

2053
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:19,199
world and he says

2054
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:22,880
they're back he can only mean one thing

2055
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,480
yeah yeah yeah i i knew

2056
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,960
uh kind of what he was talking about but

2057
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,040
um

2058
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:33,679
but yeah i and i i wish i could have you

2059
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,719
know delve deeper

2060
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:37,360
into that but i had a job to do so there

2061
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,000
was no

2062
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:40,320
no other conversation after that any

2063
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,120
footage

2064
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,040
and anybody else talking about the

2065
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:45,040
second incident

2066
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:48,960
no not that i not that i recall

2067
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:52,719
very interesting um now

2068
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,840
you come back to the united states you

2069
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:56,880
guys do the

2070
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:00,000
swap

2071
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:03,280
you go back out on another tour um i'm

2072
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:04,159
assuming

2073
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,360
uh a year or or more right you guys

2074
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,400
and then how long were you out to see

2075
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:13,679
before you transferred uh to

2076
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,120
o and i in washington dc

2077
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:20,400
uh well you know it was on the george

2078
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:21,360
washington

2079
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:24,800
we we didn't deploy after that uh

2080
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:28,960
we just um we were just kind of

2081
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,960
i you know going in and out doing

2082
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:32,800
exercises stuff like that

2083
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,320
um so we were at home

2084
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,360
uh for most of that time uh

2085
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,280
but we would go in and out occasionally

2086
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,719
catch some planes

2087
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,560
you know because there's this pilot

2088
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,000
proficiency

2089
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,560
uh that has to happen uh you know they

2090
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,960
have so many landings on a carrier and

2091
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:52,560
keep up their practice and things like

2092
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:55,040
that so you know a carrier will go out

2093
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:55,360
there

2094
01:27:05,189 --> 01:26:59,040
catch planes but

2095
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,199
um yeah uh we weren't deployed at all um

2096
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,800
but how long were you on the george

2097
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:09,040
washington that was your last

2098
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:12,080
was that your last ship uh yeah that was

2099
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:13,360
that was

2100
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:17,360
yeah i i left the george washington

2101
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:21,199
uh probably in the summer

2102
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:24,880
of 2017

2103
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:29,040
maybe and uh and i i went and did a

2104
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,400
short

2105
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,480
school and some extra training before i

2106
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:34,239
went on to

2107
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:38,320
oni which is the office of naval

2108
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,280
intelligence

2109
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:42,320
which is in washington d.c yes

2110
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,159
and what was your gig there

2111
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,760
uh you know i i i can't even

2112
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,760
i can't i can't even talk about what i

2113
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:53,679
did on a daily basis there

2114
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,280
um it was all

2115
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,840
all behind closed doors all top secret

2116
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:00,719
stuff

2117
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,199
yeah anything to do with ufos

2118
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,400
no everything

2119
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:11,600
nothing and i'm only asking

2120
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,239
because we know what went down not only

2121
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,320
with the roosevelt but the nimitz

2122
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,440
but in 2017 you have the

2123
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:21,520
uh the article that comes out in the new

2124
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:22,480
york times

2125
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,120
everything is now out in the open uh

2126
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:27,120
it's the united states navy and they're

2127
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:28,320
pilots

2128
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,920
and what was discussed about this uh

2129
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:34,239
with with you and everybody that was

2130
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:35,600
around you

2131
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,760
yeah so i mean when i got to o and i i

2132
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,600
you know it this was something that i

2133
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,440
talked to my co-workers about

2134
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,440
uh at o i about how i've been on the

2135
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,280
roosevelt and we encountered these

2136
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,760
crazy craft you know that weren't from

2137
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,440
here and this was just kind of something

2138
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:52,880
that we would talk about

2139
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,320
you know it wasn't uh it wasn't

2140
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,320
in the line of work or anything it was

2141
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,159
more like a oh yeah

2142
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,960
a sea story you know people always tell

2143
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,560
these stories about

2144
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,159
previous ships they were on and the

2145
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,560
things that happened um

2146
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,159
and so you know that was one of the

2147
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,920
things that i brought up and and people

2148
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,760
were like oh come on you know get out of

2149
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:15,360
here you know that didn't happen or

2150
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,000
whatever

2151
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:17,920
but then you know the article hit and i

2152
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,199
was like aha

2153
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,239
there's this footage so i i i you know

2154
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,000
when i got to work

2155
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:26,080
um after i watched it i pulled it up at

2156
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,440
work and i was saying i was like hey

2157
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,040
this is the this is the footage

2158
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,719
from my ship that i was talking about

2159
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,400
you know and everybody kind of gathered

2160
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,920
around and was watching it and they're

2161
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,280
like that's crazy

2162
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,320
you know what what went through your

2163
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:40,400
mind

2164
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,520
uh you know i i kind of felt

2165
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:46,080
uh vindicated because you know there

2166
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:47,520
were people who were like kind of like

2167
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:48,400
oh yeah okay

2168
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,600
you know that didn't happen you know uh

2169
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:53,280
but then you know when this hit and it's

2170
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,560
in the new york times and it talks about

2171
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,320
you know all these higher-ups the

2172
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,880
pentagon and everything it was like yeah

2173
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:02,639
that really did happen and that that is

2174
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:06,480
the exact same footage i saw

2175
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:09,679
uh we're gonna take a quick break and

2176
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:12,719
when we come back we're gonna go to the

2177
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,080
the next phase because you eventually uh

2178
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,960
leave the navy last year and everything

2179
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:20,880
that was going on in your personal life

2180
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,080
so we're gonna do that

2181
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:24,320
next this is fade to black i am your

2182
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:25,600
host jimmy church

2183
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,800
i guess tonight matthew roberts

2184
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:31,280
matthew was a crew member on the uss

2185
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:33,120
roosevelt in that strike group

2186
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,880
when the gimbal and go fast ua footage

2187
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,600
was shot we've got more with matthew and

2188
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:41,120
his new book initiated

2189
01:30:48,970 --> 01:30:42,639
when we come back after this short break

2190
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:48,980
stay with us

2191
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,030
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2192
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:02,159
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2193
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:04,000
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01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:14,830
[Applause]

2196
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,070
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2197
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,080
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2198
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:30,159
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2199
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:31,679
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2202
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you are listening to fate to black with

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oh i'm lisa vance you're listening to

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jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight our guest is

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matthew

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roberts his crew member aboard the uss

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roosevelt and

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continuing this conversation uh really

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quick would it

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surprise you if the navy came forward

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and said hey it was northrop grumman

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these were drones they were being tested

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on on the navy to to to test the radar

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to get crew members responses to see how

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the pilots

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responded would that surprise you

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yes why

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uh because that that is not something

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that would

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happen um typically uh

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and i i know luella zondo has spoken

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about this but

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we're just not in the habit of testing

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our own equipment

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01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,159
on our own people i it

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01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,360
it just kind of screams unethical right

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i mean it's

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especially if they have no idea that

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this is coming

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uh i i'm sure within testing of stuff

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that we have

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uh all of the people who are

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01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:48,880
participating know what's happening

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01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,920
uh they're aware of what's going on but

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in this case

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uh there did not seem to be that uh and

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they certainly wouldn't

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come up to a strike group that is in the

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middle of

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a testing phase um

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and and and doing training workups uh

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to test equipment like that it just

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01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:14,560
doesn't we just don't do that

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01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,600
it's real strange for me as an outsider

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01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,760
looking in i'm a military brat too as

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well

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um and i've been on uh

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01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,920
many deployments uh with my dad but

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uh that that would be the perfect

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01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,560
environment to test something

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01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,719
i mean that's that's what it says to me

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01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,480
especially something that would be top

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01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:38,080
secret

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01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,280
right i you know i just

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i i think that there are rules in place

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01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,719
against that

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01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,560
and i i just don't think that would

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01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,000
happen you know i

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i get that you say you were a military

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01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,639
right i think a long time ago

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01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,639
i don't think this was always the case

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01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,840
right you know there's

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01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:58,239
this whole history of the government

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01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,199
just doing

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01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:02,159
awful kinds of testing dropping nuclear

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bombs

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01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:06,880
yeah i mean uh so i i

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i i think that that hasn't always been

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01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,119
the case but i think today

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01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:14,639
um that no longer happens and in your

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01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,679
16 years in the navy uh to your

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01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,520
recollection there wasn't anything like

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01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:21,440
that that ever happened

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01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,159
no no in fact if we were

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01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:28,320
i you know i have been involved in stuff

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01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:29,360
like that where they

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01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:32,320
they are testing something and and like

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01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:34,320
i said all participants are aware of

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01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:34,960
this you

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01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,880
you know you're going out there for this

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01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,600
um and and this happens so

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01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:42,239
uh everyone is informed and nobody's

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01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,119
surprised

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01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,440
you know and and that's the way that

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01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:47,360
works

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01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:50,800
the uh the other part of this

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01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:54,880
is um you left the navy

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01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:59,600
uh last year in 2020 do they know

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01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,480
that uh you know with your clearances

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01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,760
and with your

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01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:06,480
position inside of the navy do they know

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01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:07,280
that you're out

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01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,560
talking about this today

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01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:13,600
uh they they knew i was writing a book

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01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,119
um so uh it had to be vetted

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01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,600
before i could release it um it was

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01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:20,960
cleared

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01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,760
uh by them and they and i had to put

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01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,679
this disclaimer on the front of it you

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01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:26,400
know that

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these views are my own and not the views

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of the department of defense

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01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,520
or the pentagon did they have any issues

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01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,400
with any parts of the book

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01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:39,040
no no nobody ever came back to me and

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01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,320
said

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01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:42,159
uh you know don't include this or don't

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01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,760
include that i mean i

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i i pretty much know i i've been in the

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navy for you know

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01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,480
15 years at this point i i knew

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01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,320
you know what's classified and what's

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01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,560
not i and i knew to leave those things

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01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:56,080
out so there was there was nothing in

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01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,280
there

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01:40:01,109 --> 01:40:00,480
uh for them even really to pick out and

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01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,119
say

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01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,880
you know you can't talk about this or

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01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,960
that no you know that they're listening

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01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:06,560
to this show right now

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01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:09,679
right you know this oh yeah yes okay

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01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:12,960
so and i appreciate you

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01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:15,360
staying inbounds when you needed to stay

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01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:16,320
in bounds

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01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,719
but it's my job to push you to the to

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01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:20,400
the edge of the cliff right

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01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:23,679
right okay all right and i i i don't

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01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:24,239
think you've

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01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:26,230
upset anybody so far

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01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,360
[Laughter]

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01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,600
thank you it's good to know well see

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01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:31,040
this is the other thing um

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01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,320
you and i uh in our uh uh conversation a

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01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:36,880
couple of weeks ago even then

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01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,639
in a private setting you there's a zone

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01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,320
that you just wouldn't go into

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01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,360
even privately and so i'll let them know

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01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:47,520
right now that you stayed in bounds even

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01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,159
then

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01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:50,400
and i did my best and you can tell

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01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,280
everybody

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01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:54,480
jimmy pushed me didn't i yes you did you

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01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:55,199
certainly did

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01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:58,639
okay you were very insistent and i just

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01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:01,840
well it's an opportunity to uh talk with

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01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,280
somebody

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01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:05,280
who was there with the top secret

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01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,320
clearance

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01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,800
and yeah i wanna i wanna know the

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01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,600
details

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01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:11,760
and and i'm gonna try to get i didn't

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01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,159
get much

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01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:17,199
but but uh back to do you

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01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,119
expect uh to hear

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01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,719
from somebody in the future would it

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01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:24,320
surprise uh

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01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:28,400
to surprise you to have them reach out

2437
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,920
no it wouldn't it wouldn't would it no i

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01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:33,679
i would

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01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,080
would be surprised if they didn't

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01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:41,360
but uh i don't know you know who knows

2441
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:42,480
what the future holds

2442
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:46,800
yeah yeah absolutely now okay

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01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,080
now let's back up you left the military

2444
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:52,080
you left the office of naval

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01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:56,000
intelligence in march of 2020

2446
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,040
after the events in 2015

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01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:04,800
um did anything start to

2448
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:07,840
happen in your personal life

2449
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,320
uh not immediately um and i think

2450
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,239
looking back on it i think it was just

2451
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,840
because i was so busy

2452
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:18,400
uh i had a lot of collateral duties on

2453
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,880
the ship

2454
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,960
so in other words i had my job but then

2455
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:23,360
i had all these other responsibilities

2456
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,320
as well within the navy that i had to

2457
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:28,000
and on the ship that i had to take care

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01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:29,600
of so i was

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01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,800
very busy um i i was known

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01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:34,560
you know as kind of a high functioning

2461
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:35,840
multitasker

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01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:38,480
uh give it give it to him he'll you know

2463
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,920
he'll take it and run with it and we

2464
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:41,520
won't have to worry about it that's

2465
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:45,040
that's the person that i was you know

2466
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,920
so uh you know it was always kind of in

2467
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:49,840
the back of my mind

2468
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,960
uh at this point um

2469
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:55,040
and and it was always just there kind of

2470
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,080
gnawing like you know

2471
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:58,000
i just and i just had this kind of i

2472
01:43:02,790 --> 01:42:59,520
wonder what that was

2473
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:02,800
you know but but at the same time i knew

2474
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:03,440
that

2475
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:06,080
i had never up until then heard anything

2476
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:06,960
about this

2477
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:09,679
so if there was a program for it i

2478
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,920
wasn't read into it and chances are i

2479
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,119
never would be

2480
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,480
um so you know what's the point

2481
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:18,400
in even wondering about it but it was it

2482
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:20,159
was always there and i would i would

2483
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,280
think about it quite often and then what

2484
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,440
happened

2485
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:28,560
uh so then you know i transfer to o and

2486
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,360
i

2487
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:32,400
um and uh

2488
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,000
i had kind of a medical emergency

2489
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:38,400
i guess you could say i was uh

2490
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,360
hospitalized

2491
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,480
for a saddle pulmonary embolism

2492
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:45,760
which is very serious um

2493
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,960
what is that uh so it's it's basically i

2494
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,239
had a blood clot

2495
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,280
that was in my leg uh behind my knee and

2496
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:55,199
those clots kind of broke off

2497
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,639
and then they go through your

2498
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,560
circulatory system and they end up in

2499
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:00,800
your lungs

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01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:04,000
and uh so i had that and so the clots

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01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:05,760
were in my lungs i

2502
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:08,800
woke up one night unable to breathe i

2503
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,360
was gasping for breath

2504
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,840
and i actually lost consciousness and

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01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,440
passed out

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01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,040
and it was the next day that i decided i

2507
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,840
would go to the hospital

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01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,840
get checked out and they found the blood

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01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,239
clots um

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01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:26,880
so i was in the icu uh with that for a

2511
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:33,030
and then you know i there was a little

2512
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:34,080
bit of time past

2513
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,840
i i just had this like

2514
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,840
i wasn't ever worried for my life when i

2515
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,840
was in the hospital and that was kind of

2516
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:43,600
a little bit weird but it was almost

2517
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,400
like i have no control over this so

2518
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:49,440
why am i to worry about it you know and

2519
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:50,639
that was that was kind of my

2520
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,840
outlook on it and then you know i just

2521
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:55,280
had this flat affect

2522
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:56,560
and that turned into kind of a

2523
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:00,400
depression and then all of a sudden

2524
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:04,080
you know you know my brother just out of

2525
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:07,119
nowhere texts me and he says hey you

2526
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:08,320
know and he sends

2527
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:10,239
text me a link and he says check this

2528
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,360
out it's about

2529
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,679
the government's ufo program it was in

2530
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:14,960
the new york times

2531
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:17,840
you know so i said okay you know i'll

2532
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:19,040
check it out

2533
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:22,080
um so i i pull up the article i read it

2534
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:23,280
i watched the footage

2535
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:26,480
and it just it

2536
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,320
brought everything back um

2537
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:33,600
sorry it's okay because i

2538
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:36,400
i had this just kind of emotional

2539
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,280
reaction

2540
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:39,840
in watching this footage i and i don't

2541
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:40,719
know why

2542
01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:44,719
but um i well at the time i didn't

2543
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:48,400
but i you know i i kind of understand it

2544
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:49,199
now

2545
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,360
um so i i was very uncomfortable

2546
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:56,320
with talking to my brother about this he

2547
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:57,760
i knew he was going to call me any

2548
01:46:01,590 --> 01:45:59,360
minute

2549
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:01,600
and he was going to ask me about this

2550
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,639
and it would be

2551
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,239
very uncomfortable for me because i

2552
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:05,760
never discuss

2553
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,000
what i do at work you know i this is

2554
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:09,679
something i never discussed with my

2555
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:10,480
family

2556
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:13,600
um and so now to see this footage

2557
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:15,679
to know that i was there when this

2558
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:17,199
happened

2559
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,719
uh was very shocking to me and i

2560
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,960
couldn't i couldn't figure out why

2561
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,880
why had this been released why has this

2562
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,880
been declined has it been declassified

2563
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:28,400
or is it leaked you know and all of

2564
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:30,080
these things are just

2565
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:31,760
running through my head but then you

2566
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,280
know in reading the article

2567
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:36,000
you see harry reid the former senate

2568
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,119
majority leader

2569
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,560
is is one of the people who's quoted in

2570
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:43,119
the article so it must be legit

2571
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:45,520
you know so so my brother calls me and

2572
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,480
he says you know

2573
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:48,880
hey did you check out the ufo article i

2574
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,440
said yeah you know i checked it out

2575
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,960
and he said well have you ever

2576
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:55,199
encountered anything like that and

2577
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:58,560
immediately i just kind of

2578
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,510
um take your time

2579
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:09,520
i will say that when when i was watching

2580
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:10,880
this footage

2581
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,239
it it it rose to kind of a level of

2582
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:19,360
of of of seriousness and emotion with me

2583
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:22,800
that was was very similar

2584
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:24,880
to what i felt when my brother passed

2585
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:30,229
um so it was it was that emotional for

2586
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,360
me at the time

2587
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:34,560
um and that just kind of

2588
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,159
came rushing back um and and

2589
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:41,600
and and this is the thing um when you

2590
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:45,840
are a professional in the military

2591
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:48,239
you are expected to be in control of

2592
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:49,360
your emotions

2593
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:52,639
all the time right this stuff is

2594
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:55,920
you are not allowed to right it's not

2595
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:57,199
part of the game

2596
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:59,119
right and and you know and i was with

2597
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:00,639
that i i i

2598
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:04,159
that is the attitude that i had um but

2599
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,560
then

2600
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,119
you know with this event uh it was

2601
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:09,600
somehow different it rose to that kind

2602
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:09,840
of

2603
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,080
when my brother had passed away right

2604
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:18,639
and that's how deeply personal i felt

2605
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,199
about it

2606
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:21,280
and i didn't understand that deeply

2607
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:22,239
personal

2608
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,080
reaction i had uh at the time

2609
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:29,760
on the ship i felt like i i got this

2610
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:32,400
you know wave washed over me that they

2611
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:33,840
are here for me

2612
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,800
you know and and they are coming for me

2613
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:38,239
and

2614
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,119
terrified that someone would find out

2615
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,520
somehow and and at the time i'm thinking

2616
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,800
to myself this is

2617
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:49,280
ridiculous right this is crazy town

2618
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,400
right right

2619
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:52,719
right why is this occurring to me you

2620
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:53,840
know

2621
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:56,080
and so i just i kind of tried to put it

2622
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,719
away but it was very difficult to do

2623
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:01,520
um unlike other things that i had done

2624
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,400
in the military

2625
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,159
right you could box that and put it on

2626
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:05,679
the shelf anytime

2627
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,920
right and and and i i've been through

2628
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:09,760
some kind of intense

2629
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:13,520
moments and i i was always able to

2630
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,000
remain

2631
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,960
calm and collected because you know that

2632
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:19,199
that that is how you get the job done

2633
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:21,679
you you can't just sit in the corner and

2634
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:22,480
start crying

2635
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:25,840
why me yeah yeah yeah so

2636
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,880
uh so it was surprising that i had that

2637
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:30,080
reaction to it and so

2638
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,760
you know when he asked me have you ever

2639
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:33,520
seen anything like this i

2640
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:36,639
choked and i didn't want to talk about

2641
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:37,040
it

2642
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,480
and why would he

2643
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:43,920
let me ask you why would he why would he

2644
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:48,800
ask you that well i mean he knew

2645
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:52,159
he knew that everything i did i mean so

2646
01:49:56,310 --> 01:49:54,080
part of the whole clearance thing is

2647
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:56,320
that they they talk to your family too

2648
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,520
right so so this is no secret that

2649
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:02,239
to them that i'm i'm doing things behind

2650
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,199
closed doors

2651
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,880
all day long uh they were aware

2652
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:09,520
that this these things are things that i

2653
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,400
can't talk about

2654
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,800
so so he thought you know well this is a

2655
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:15,199
perfect opportunity let me ask him

2656
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,800
if he's ever encountered this

2657
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,960
you know so i i didn't want to talk

2658
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:22,800
about it but eventually i was just like

2659
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:24,159
yeah you know i was

2660
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:27,280
i was actually there um when this was

2661
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:30,960
collected and um

2662
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:35,280
and it's real and uh he

2663
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,430
he he also had kind of an emotional

2664
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:45,280
reaction to it as well

2665
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:48,960
um and you know i i had read in the

2666
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,480
article that there was this

2667
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:53,280
uh to the stars academy i decided you

2668
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:54,080
know i'm gonna

2669
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:57,040
check out see check these people out see

2670
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,320
if they wrote any books

2671
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:00,719
you know and it it led me to hunt for

2672
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:03,520
the skinwalker by colin kelleher

2673
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:07,440
i read that i read tom delong's books i

2674
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,360
and i just kind of immersed myself in

2675
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:11,199
this for the first time you know because

2676
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:11,679
i

2677
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,960
you know because you hear all these

2678
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:19,360
crazy people claiming all kinds of crazy

2679
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:21,199
things you don't know what is real

2680
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,400
so i figured you know being the analyst

2681
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,080
that i am i was like well let's just

2682
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:28,000
trace it back from the source and let's

2683
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,480
see

2684
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,560
what have these people done and so i

2685
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:32,560
started looking into that

2686
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,320
and uh i the stories i was reading were

2687
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:39,119
incredible to me uh i thought wow you

2688
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:40,400
know this

2689
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,159
maybe everything that we consider

2690
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,239
paranormal really is involved

2691
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,880
with this you know because these people

2692
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:48,560
certainly seem to think it is colm

2693
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:50,080
kelleher did

2694
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,320
um so you know i i started reading those

2695
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:56,000
books

2696
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:58,719
and uh that's when i had this kind of

2697
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,000
other

2698
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:03,199
paranormal experience happened to me

2699
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,719
and we're going to get to that in a

2700
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:06,560
second uh no we're going to get

2701
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:10,400
to that right now but let me set this up

2702
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:13,599
where were you living i was living

2703
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,440
in uh maryland you were oh okay so

2704
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,320
right there the center of the naval

2705
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:21,119
universe

2706
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,119
right and uh okay so you're in maryland

2707
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,520
um are you out of the navy or are you

2708
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,199
still

2709
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,199
no so this is this is just after i

2710
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,119
started working at oni

2711
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,239
oh okay got you okay perfect okay so

2712
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,400
you're in maryland

2713
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:41,520
yeah so i'm in maryland and uh i had

2714
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:42,239
read

2715
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,679
i had pretty much exhausted my resources

2716
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,840
i had read some of jacques valet

2717
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,520
because he wrote the forwards to tom

2718
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,239
delong's books um

2719
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:54,400
uh so i i had exhausted all of that and

2720
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:55,520
i thought well

2721
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:57,119
you know i guess i'll just have to wait

2722
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,760
for more information to be released from

2723
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:01,119
to the stars

2724
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:05,280
um and that's just gonna be it you know

2725
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,080
uh so one night i'm in my truck and i

2726
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,000
start thinking i don't wanna wait

2727
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,880
you know i so at the end of one of tom

2728
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,480
delong's books he talks about these

2729
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:15,760
tablets

2730
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,960
um and so i started thinking well

2731
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,040
and he leaves it kind of a cliffhanger

2732
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:22,639
you don't really know what these tablets

2733
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:23,040
are

2734
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:24,239
and i didn't want to wait for the next

2735
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:26,000
book so i i'm like well let me look look

2736
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,480
at this

2737
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:28,080
stuff up online let me see if i can find

2738
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:29,520
these tablets you know

2739
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,239
that he's talking about and so this

2740
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,560
started me on this general search

2741
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:36,960
i ended up looking at the emerald

2742
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:43,030
and uh i read them and i kind of

2743
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:43,920
followed that

2744
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:47,520
to her medic teaching and i i came up to

2745
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:51,199
this book that was called the caballon

2746
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:54,719
by the three initiates okay

2747
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,719
and um so i i read the synopsis and i'm

2748
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,719
like uh that's not something i wanna

2749
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,960
i wanna go into that sounds too weird

2750
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,960
you know it it seems to imply that we

2751
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:06,320
have no free will and

2752
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:08,960
it the synopsis talked about how that's

2753
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:10,800
the biggest problem people have with the

2754
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,760
book

2755
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:13,840
so i was like yeah i'll put that to bed

2756
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:15,119
and then i thought well maybe there's a

2757
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,440
mufon chapter i could get involved with

2758
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,440
in the area i looked that up i couldn't

2759
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:21,360
find anything

2760
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,040
um so i just decided okay that's it

2761
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:27,599
you know i'll just wait and i went up to

2762
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:28,639
bed

2763
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,280
um and i woke up the next morning i had

2764
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:33,280
a long drive ahead of me

2765
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:35,199
i was going to sign the paperwork saying

2766
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,719
that i could stay in the navy after

2767
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,800
these blood clots

2768
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:41,040
and so i had to drive down to pax river

2769
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:42,080
which is like an

2770
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:45,199
hour south and then

2771
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:49,119
back this is the next day the very next

2772
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,599
day

2773
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:52,000
uh and so i'm driving back after signing

2774
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,960
my paperwork

2775
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,520
and i'm thinking about how okay so i'll

2776
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:56,719
stay in the navy

2777
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,040
until i retire and this is my plan for

2778
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:01,280
the rest of my life i'll

2779
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:03,360
i'll live off the income of my rental

2780
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:04,719
properties and

2781
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:07,760
the navy pension and that'll be it

2782
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:11,760
you know and so i as i'm driving this

2783
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:12,639
hatchback

2784
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,960
zooms up in front of me and cuts me off

2785
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,280
and on the back windows there's this big

2786
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:19,280
sticker that says

2787
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:23,840
uh mufon marilyn find us on facebook

2788
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:25,760
and i thought wow you know that's kind

2789
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:27,199
of a coincidence i was looking that up

2790
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:27,840
last night

2791
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:30,880
that's freaking weird yes

2792
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:33,280
this story gets weirder yes it does okay

2793
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:34,800
continue

2794
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,560
so um i'm i'm i i look off to the side

2795
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:40,400
of the road and i see this hobby lobby

2796
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,880
there

2797
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:42,719
and i was aware of the supreme court

2798
01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:44,639
decision involving the hobby lobby and i

2799
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,000
thought that's interesting i've never

2800
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,159
actually seen a hobby lobby before so i

2801
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:55,189
and uh later that night i get home

2802
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:58,719
and uh my roommate is there i was i was

2803
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,440
at this time

2804
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,280
i had just moved to maryland so i was

2805
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:03,119
renting a room in somebody's house and

2806
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,800
my roommate was

2807
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:06,800
uh you know sitting on a couch and i was

2808
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:08,159
heading up to bed

2809
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:12,400
and um he stops me on the stairs

2810
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:13,840
because he's watching these talking

2811
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:16,239
heads on tv you know the news or

2812
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:17,520
whatever

2813
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:20,159
and he says uh he's a liberal by the way

2814
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:20,800
i don't wanna

2815
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:22,639
in case this offends anybody i don't

2816
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:25,679
wanna uh

2817
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,520
so anyway he says you know what the

2818
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:29,520
problem with the republicans is and i

2819
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:30,080
said no

2820
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:33,280
what he said hobby lobby you know and he

2821
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,040
starts to talk about how you know the

2822
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,520
the supreme court decision allowed all

2823
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:41,440
of this corporate money into campaigns

2824
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:42,400
blah blah blah

2825
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:44,719
so on and so forth i was like okay so i

2826
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:46,000
i go up to bed

2827
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:49,360
you know and i

2828
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:52,159
i start to think about wow you know that

2829
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:54,159
car cut me off and i was looking this up

2830
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:55,599
last night about mufon

2831
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,280
maryland and i saw this hobby lobby

2832
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:01,760
and uh my roommate just mentioned that

2833
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:03,440
it seems like a kind of a day of

2834
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:04,480
coincidences

2835
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,520
you know and before we get to the break

2836
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:09,360
did you know anything about the owners

2837
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:11,280
of hobby lobby

2838
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:14,000
uh legally and illegally collecting

2839
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:14,719
tablets

2840
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:18,480
out of uh out of iraq

2841
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,440
uh no sumerian tablets do you you didn't

2842
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:23,119
know about that

2843
01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:24,960
okay well i'm informing you now and if

2844
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:27,199
that doesn't even get trippier

2845
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,679
think about the end of de long's book

2846
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,360
right right now you had this

2847
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:33,520
run in with hobby lobby and you're there

2848
01:57:38,229 --> 01:57:34,719
and then

2849
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:38,239
yeah yeah it gets i i'm tripping okay so

2850
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,280
continue

2851
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:41,199
so uh yeah that's not the end of the

2852
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:42,320
story this game oh no

2853
01:57:45,669 --> 01:57:44,400
no we we're we're gonna head to a break

2854
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:45,679
and and pick up

2855
01:57:50,629 --> 01:57:49,360
and continue okay so uh you know i'm

2856
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:50,639
i'm sitting in my room and all of a

2857
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:52,960
sudden my heart starts pounding

2858
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:54,480
right and it's kind of like that

2859
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:56,400
pounding you get when you have this rush

2860
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:57,360
of adrenaline

2861
01:58:01,189 --> 01:58:00,159
but i felt no adrenaline it was just

2862
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:01,199
pounding i thought oh

2863
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,520
this maybe this is a blood clots coming

2864
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:05,199
back you know and i

2865
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:07,280
i just decided to sit down and see if it

2866
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,800
would just go away

2867
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:11,440
and then i start to feel this powerful

2868
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:12,159
urge

2869
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:15,520
to get in my car and drive

2870
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:19,360
and i had never felt the urge or the

2871
01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:21,840
i was never felt compelled to drive

2872
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:22,639
before

2873
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:25,119
like this you know i thought this is

2874
01:58:29,830 --> 01:58:26,560
it's kind of strange

2875
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:29,840
you know so i i decide to give into it

2876
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,199
you know when i go downstairs my

2877
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:33,199
roommate has gone to bed by then

2878
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:36,560
and i get in my car it's a three-point

2879
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,840
turn to get out of the driveway

2880
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:39,679
back into the first point and i think to

2881
01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:42,159
myself you know i can't

2882
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:45,520
i can't do this for my own sanity uh

2883
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:48,080
this is gonna taking me on this wild

2884
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:49,599
goose chase in the middle of night i

2885
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:50,639
can't do this

2886
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:53,840
and so i decided okay let's take our

2887
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:54,560
break

2888
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:57,040
right here how's that all right let's

2889
01:59:02,070 --> 01:58:58,000
take our break

2890
01:59:03,669 --> 01:59:02,080
right here yeah this is the perfect spot

2891
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this is fade to black i am your host

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01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:05,119
jimmy church i guess tonight matthew

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on the game changer radio network

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2977
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welcome back fade to black i am your

2978
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,400
host jimmy church our guest tonight

2979
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:06,239
matthew roberts

2980
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:09,840
and uh before we move on uh i want to

2981
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:10,480
say

2982
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:12,000
uh that our thoughts and prayers are

2983
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,320
with everybody in boulder colorado

2984
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:16,719
and uh the the mass shooting that

2985
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:17,520
happened there

2986
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:21,119
earlier today we have a a very very

2987
02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:24,080
large audience and family uh in boulder

2988
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:25,599
and denver

2989
02:03:29,109 --> 02:03:27,679
and uh again our thoughts and prayers

2990
02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:29,119
are with everybody out there

2991
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:31,679
and uh we'll talk more about this uh

2992
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:33,520
tomorrow night on this show

2993
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,639
okay all right our guest tonight matthew

2994
02:03:41,910 --> 02:03:38,560
roberts and you know um

2995
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:41,920
uh matt let me say this uh it's it's my

2996
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:42,880
job

2997
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:46,560
uh it's my gig to be uh

2998
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:49,360
a radio host and and other things that

2999
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,760
come

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02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:51,679
along with that television and film and

3001
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:53,440
stuff but

3002
02:04:00,310 --> 02:03:56,880
my show's live and

3003
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,320
i have been a part of

3004
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:03,360
so many uh tragic breaking stories

3005
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:06,560
over the years and it's it

3006
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:09,199
it affects me emotionally you know and

3007
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:09,679
and i

3008
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:12,320
you know i've got to be professional we

3009
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,840
were talking about this earlier right

3010
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:15,040
there's some things you just got to put

3011
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:16,800
in a box put it on the shelf

3012
02:04:20,149 --> 02:04:19,040
and and you've got to do your thing but

3013
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:20,159
but stuff like this

3014
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:24,719
affects me and i have so many uh uh

3015
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:27,840
uh friends in in that area that are

3016
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:29,199
going through this right now so i just

3017
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:30,719
want to let everybody know

3018
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:33,520
i'm right there with you uh everybody

3019
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:33,840
here

3020
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:38,880
and we will talk more about this

3021
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:40,800
tomorrow night on the show

3022
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:44,159
now going back uh

3023
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,920
to this evening let's let's do a slight

3024
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:49,360
recap here

3025
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:52,400
um you do a drive

3026
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:55,280
an hour there hour back he had to sign

3027
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:56,880
some paperwork for the navy

3028
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,800
you come back home a couple of strange

3029
02:05:01,830 --> 02:05:00,400
coincidences happen you were thinking

3030
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:01,840
about looking at mufon

3031
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:03,360
you get a hatchback that pulls in front

3032
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:05,440
of you it's got a mufon maryland chapter

3033
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:06,639
sticker on the back

3034
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:10,320
strange hobby lobby strange you get home

3035
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:12,800
roommate mentions hobby lobby he doesn't

3036
02:05:17,109 --> 02:05:13,520
know

3037
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,119
going on in your mind

3038
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:19,920
in your drive i find that strange you go

3039
02:05:24,069 --> 02:05:20,719
upstairs

3040
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:24,079
you get this anticipation this

3041
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:25,360
adrenaline rush

3042
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:28,960
you need to drive your car

3043
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:31,520
you just went on a two-hour drive right

3044
02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:34,800
it's the last thing on your mind is to

3045
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:36,880
go back out and jump in the car

3046
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:40,400
were you in your pjs did you get dressed

3047
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:43,920
uh yeah i did i i i i was in my pjs but

3048
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:44,560
i did get

3049
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:47,679
dressed again and head back out um

3050
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:50,480
so you know i i get in my truck i do the

3051
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:52,239
first point of the three-point turn to

3052
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,599
get out of the driveway and i'm sitting

3053
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:55,199
there and i thought you know you have

3054
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:56,000
just lost

3055
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:59,760
your mind uh this is a wild goose chase

3056
02:06:02,149 --> 02:06:00,880
in the middle of night

3057
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,159
you've been reading about all these

3058
02:06:08,069 --> 02:06:04,560
crazy valet

3059
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:08,079
uh abduction stories um and it's really

3060
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:09,360
getting to you

3061
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:12,480
you need to just put this to bed um

3062
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:15,679
so i decide you know i'm just going to

3063
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:18,560
pull into my spot in the driveway and

3064
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:20,639
forget about this i'm going to bed

3065
02:06:24,149 --> 02:06:23,440
you know for my own sanity i can't i

3066
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:24,159
can't do this

3067
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:25,520
i'm going to wind up in a straight

3068
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:27,840
jacket if i follow this

3069
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:31,119
so i at just that moment

3070
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:34,480
uh all of the sudden i felt

3071
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:37,599
this electrocution i guess

3072
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:40,320
uh shoot through my body um you know

3073
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:41,360
when you touch a

3074
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:43,360
like a live electrical wire and you feel

3075
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:44,560
that buzzing

3076
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:49,040
i try not to do it often yeah but i have

3077
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:56,229
so i i feel this buzzing uh and

3078
02:07:02,709 --> 02:06:59,679
all of the sudden my leg is

3079
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:02,719
uh you know slamming on the accelerator

3080
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:03,360
and my

3081
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:05,280
hands are turning the wheels toward the

3082
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:06,400
road

3083
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,360
and at this point and and then the

3084
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,280
buzzing stops and i slammed on the

3085
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:13,840
brakes and i thought

3086
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:16,719
uh i was in a panic i at this point i'm

3087
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:17,599
panicking

3088
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:20,079
uh because i know that this is not in my

3089
02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:20,960
head now

3090
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:24,840
i induce a lot of feelings in myself but

3091
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,560
never the feeling of being electrocuted

3092
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:31,760
um so i

3093
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:35,440
i did you feel at this point going back

3094
02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:38,480
from the when you were in your bedroom

3095
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:46,870
yeah well i mean with the electrocution

3096
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:47,679
that was

3097
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:51,840
definitely uh that became obvious to me

3098
02:07:55,589 --> 02:07:54,400
right that that i was not in control of

3099
02:07:57,430 --> 02:07:55,599
whatever was happening

3100
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:57,440
and and this wanted me to leave the

3101
02:08:02,390 --> 02:07:59,679
house right right right now

3102
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:02,400
you know and so i started to feel this

3103
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:03,360
sense of

3104
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:06,719
extreme urgency also and so

3105
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:09,280
you know i'm panicking i start crying a

3106
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:10,400
little bit because i

3107
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:13,199
this is just this is the craziest thing

3108
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:15,280
that's ever happened to me

3109
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:18,400
uh and so i said okay

3110
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:19,520
you know and i didn't want to get

3111
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:21,679
shocked again so i said okay i'm just

3112
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,000
gonna

3113
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,040
drive you know and so i i

3114
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,000
head out and i drive down the road i i

3115
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:30,639
figured i'd drive back down south

3116
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:32,320
uh down the five because i had been

3117
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:34,000
there earlier

3118
02:08:38,310 --> 02:08:37,199
so i stopped at this gas station to grab

3119
02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:38,320
a drink

3120
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:42,239
um and i park in front of the

3121
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:45,119
at one of the pumps and uh this feeling

3122
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:48,000
washes over me

3123
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,040
that uh you know whatever i was made

3124
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:53,360
to leave the house for was gonna happen

3125
02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:55,840
right here at this gas station

3126
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:59,760
um and i started panicking i was like

3127
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,440
you know what's gonna happen here

3128
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:03,520
what am i supposed to die here is

3129
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:05,119
somebody going to start shooting what is

3130
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:06,639
this

3131
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,800
you know so i i start scanning

3132
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,560
you know the front of the store to see

3133
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:14,719
what am i supposed what's supposed to

3134
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:15,520
happen here

3135
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:18,079
and then i saw it it was this it was

3136
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:19,520
very out of place

3137
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:21,920
i mean it's almost midnight you know on

3138
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:24,560
like a thursday night

3139
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:27,199
at a gas station near the freeway in not

3140
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:29,440
the best part of town

3141
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:33,040
so there was this homeless man

3142
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:35,440
sitting at a table out front eating with

3143
02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:36,639
these two women

3144
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:40,159
dressed to the nines

3145
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:43,280
in professional business attire

3146
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:47,440
and it seemed incredibly out of place

3147
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:49,199
and so then this feeling washes over me

3148
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:50,560
that i'm supposed to hear what they're

3149
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:52,480
talking about

3150
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:55,280
and so i am kind of reluctant to get out

3151
02:09:59,189 --> 02:09:56,000
of the car

3152
02:10:02,950 --> 02:09:59,199
i'm panicked uh and i hear this voice

3153
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:02,960
say get out like

3154
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:06,560
like it's angry with me you know

3155
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,079
and so i uh

3156
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:12,560
i um got out of the car you know i'm

3157
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:13,280
trying to

3158
02:10:20,229 --> 02:10:16,639
compose myself as i'm walking across

3159
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,239
the parking lot um

3160
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:22,880
and uh i get closer i can see more

3161
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,599
detail

3162
02:10:27,430 --> 02:10:26,159
this woman's wearing a tennis diamond

3163
02:10:29,109 --> 02:10:27,440
tennis bracelet

3164
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:29,119
and yet they're sitting here eating with

3165
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:31,360
this filthy homeless man he had grass in

3166
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:32,079
his hair

3167
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:35,520
he was covered in dirt his jeans were

3168
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:37,440
shredded around his ankles

3169
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:40,480
and just as i was passing them one of

3170
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:42,079
the women held up her hand and pointed

3171
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:44,560
at the homeless man and she said you see

3172
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:47,119
uh there is no such thing as coincidence

3173
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,360
everything happens for a reason

3174
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:51,440
i nev i never sit at places like this

3175
02:10:55,270 --> 02:10:52,880
but something told me to sit here

3176
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,280
tonight

3177
02:10:59,750 --> 02:10:58,159
and uh so with that i just entered the

3178
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:59,760
store and i was like i can't believe

3179
02:11:03,430 --> 02:11:01,040
this is happening

3180
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:03,440
you know uh that is exactly what that

3181
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:05,599
book said last night

3182
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:06,800
that there's no such thing as

3183
02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:09,520
coincidence and yet here

3184
02:11:15,669 --> 02:11:12,639
it was being demonstrated for me

3185
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:15,679
you know um so i

3186
02:11:20,390 --> 02:11:18,880
knew immediately that okay well i've got

3187
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:20,400
to read this book

3188
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:24,079
so i i i

3189
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:26,000
got my drink i left the store and i

3190
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:27,280
thought to myself should i

3191
02:11:30,629 --> 02:11:29,440
stop and see what else they're talking

3192
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,639
about

3193
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:32,800
you know and when i left the store they

3194
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:34,960
were talking about god

3195
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:43,669
sorry it's okay man it's all right

3196
02:11:49,189 --> 02:11:47,040
so i you know in my in my ignorance i

3197
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:49,199
said you know i'm i'm an atheist i don't

3198
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:50,719
believe any of that

3199
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:53,840
you said

3200
02:11:57,910 --> 02:11:55,679
well i didn't say that to them i this is

3201
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:57,920
what i mean you said that to yourself

3202
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:59,599
okay yeah yeah and so i said

3203
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:00,960
that's not a part that's not a

3204
02:12:04,069 --> 02:12:02,639
conversation i want to be a part of i

3205
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:04,079
don't i don't believe in that

3206
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:07,119
you know uh so

3207
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:10,159
i you know went home uh i woke up the

3208
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:10,800
next

3209
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:12,800
day went to work and when i got home i

3210
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:14,639
read the book

3211
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:18,159
and uh it was incredible

3212
02:12:22,629 --> 02:12:21,199
um so this book is called the caballian

3213
02:12:24,870 --> 02:12:22,639
by the three initiates

3214
02:12:26,550 --> 02:12:24,880
if you haven't i mean and that's

3215
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:26,560
obviously the title of my book

3216
02:12:30,229 --> 02:12:29,760
initiated because a lot of this has to

3217
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:30,239
do

3218
02:12:36,629 --> 02:12:33,520
with initiation i i

3219
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:36,639
went through my

3220
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:39,280
this is the overarching kind of theme of

3221
02:12:43,709 --> 02:12:40,239
this whole thing

3222
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,719
is that there is this personal

3223
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:46,719
transformation that

3224
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:49,840
people go through uh

3225
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:51,440
that will bring them into higher

3226
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,040
consciousness

3227
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:55,360
and it's it's a type of initiation

3228
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:56,639
experience

3229
02:13:04,229 --> 02:13:00,000
and and that is what

3230
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:04,239
all of this was about for me uh

3231
02:13:09,750 --> 02:13:07,440
and so within this transformation you

3232
02:13:14,430 --> 02:13:09,760
kind of transcend what we would call

3233
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:14,440
the human condition and in fact this

3234
02:13:20,069 --> 02:13:18,079
experience that i went through

3235
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:20,079
is the basis of all the world's

3236
02:13:25,510 --> 02:13:21,760
religions

3237
02:13:28,830 --> 02:13:25,520
and that was what i discovered um

3238
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:28,840
and that was why i wrote this book

3239
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:30,000
initiated

3240
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:35,199
um the so i read this book several times

3241
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,480
uh and i

3242
02:13:43,270 --> 02:13:41,440
thought you know okay i kind of got it

3243
02:13:45,189 --> 02:13:43,280
it made me feel a little uncomfortable

3244
02:13:46,629 --> 02:13:45,199
because it starts talking about things

3245
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,639
like you know you can think of the

3246
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:48,239
universe as

3247
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:51,599
a mental creation and we are all

3248
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:55,599
characters in a play of the one creator

3249
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:58,480
and we are just extensions of that

3250
02:14:03,510 --> 02:14:01,520
singular consciousness

3251
02:14:04,950 --> 02:14:03,520
and i thought you know that is that

3252
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:04,960
sounds crazy

3253
02:14:09,109 --> 02:14:07,920
um it was not something that i ascribed

3254
02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:09,119
to before

3255
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:11,679
and i thought to myself how can someone

3256
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:12,560
in this book

3257
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:14,800
make that statement you know how could

3258
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:15,679
you even ever

3259
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,239
know that it's impossible you know

3260
02:14:23,350 --> 02:14:22,639
so uh you know the experiences

3261
02:14:25,510 --> 02:14:23,360
progressed

3262
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:25,520
i i read the book several times and i

3263
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:26,560
thought okay well

3264
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:29,119
you know if this is something that is

3265
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:30,800
going to teach me

3266
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:33,920
i am ready for my next lesson i am ready

3267
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:36,159
to learn

3268
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:38,400
and uh nothing could have been farther

3269
02:14:43,109 --> 02:14:40,159
from the truth i was not

3270
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:43,119
prepared in any way for what happened to

3271
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:44,880
me next

3272
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:52,160
i was laying in bed asleep one night

3273
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:53,360
[Music]

3274
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:56,560
and i felt something grab my arm

3275
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:00,800
uh i woke up i was i woke up on my back

3276
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,800
which i don't sleep on my back so that

3277
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:04,800
was odd

3278
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:08,400
and i'm looking at my room as i'm

3279
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:11,360
starting to wake up and uh all of a

3280
02:15:14,310 --> 02:15:12,000
sudden

3281
02:15:15,669 --> 02:15:14,320
you know things start to get blurry in

3282
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:15,679
my vision so i

3283
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:17,920
went to try and lift my hand to my face

3284
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:20,239
to wipe the sleep out of my eyes

3285
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:22,400
and i realized i couldn't move same

3286
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:24,000
house in maryland

3287
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:28,560
yes okay okay yeah this was this was

3288
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:33,040
fairly close to the the in time to the

3289
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:36,239
the gas station yeah so i

3290
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:40,480
uh i my vision's going blurry i can't

3291
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:41,679
move and then i

3292
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,040
remember there's somebody grabbing my

3293
02:15:46,229 --> 02:15:45,520
arm and i can still feel this hand on my

3294
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:46,239
arm

3295
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:49,119
so i fight you know to kind of turn my

3296
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:50,239
head to the right

3297
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:53,360
to see who's standing over me

3298
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:56,800
and i see this uh outline

3299
02:16:02,709 --> 02:15:59,920
of a by the by this time

3300
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:02,719
everything is a blur right i can hardly

3301
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:03,360
see

3302
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:10,239
two arms and a head standing over me

3303
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:11,360
kind of

3304
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,560
in my face uh

3305
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,960
and i the odd thing is that i was not

3306
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:17,760
afraid

3307
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:20,239
i for whatever reason and it even

3308
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:21,119
occurred to me that

3309
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,639
i should be afraid that there's someone

3310
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:24,800
in my room right now but i'm not

3311
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:28,800
you know and i don't know why uh

3312
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:31,520
so i i'm looking at this and then all of

3313
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:32,880
the sudden

3314
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:37,439
uh this light starts to light on light

3315
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:41,120
from behind this entity standing over me

3316
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:43,920
and then all of a sudden this light gets

3317
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,800
so bright

3318
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:46,559
it's like blinding and then all of a

3319
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:49,120
sudden it concentrates into these rays

3320
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:50,399
of golden light coming

3321
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,080
out of the head of this thing standing

3322
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:56,000
over me

3323
02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:59,920
and i thought to myself what is going on

3324
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:00,639
you know

3325
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:04,719
and uh then all of a sudden this face

3326
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:07,359
this image of a face appears over this

3327
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,559
entity

3328
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:10,240
and it starts flipping through different

3329
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,439
pictures of people that i know

3330
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:16,000
and uh all of the sudden it lands on a

3331
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:17,439
picture

3332
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,519
of an ex of mine from 20 years ago

3333
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:23,519
and i thought well this is weird that's

3334
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:24,639
weird

3335
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:26,960
yeah so i start to lose consciousness

3336
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:28,000
again and i can

3337
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:29,840
as i'm starting to lose consciousness i

3338
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:31,760
can feel this

3339
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:35,359
entity is crawling into bed with me

3340
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:38,479
and then i start having this um you know

3341
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:40,399
it was a sexual dream

3342
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:43,679
with me and my ex from 20 years ago

3343
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:45,920
it was just me and my ex and we were

3344
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,960
surrounded by

3345
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:49,200
absolutely nothing there was just pitch

3346
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,719
black everything else was just

3347
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,639
pitch black there was nothing else

3348
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,479
around us

3349
02:17:58,709 --> 02:17:57,679
and so i it was such a everything felt

3350
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:58,719
so real

3351
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,800
you know and then i opened my eyes and

3352
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:02,559
i'm back in my room

3353
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:05,760
and i can see that there is this female

3354
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:08,960
on top of me uh

3355
02:18:16,309 --> 02:18:13,519
and she has blue skin

3356
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:16,319
um and my hands are on her thighs and

3357
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:17,040
her skin

3358
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:20,080
is much thicker and

3359
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,359
tighter and smoother than you

3360
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:25,439
it was unlike anything i'd ever felt

3361
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:28,240
before you know it clearly

3362
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:31,280
was not human skin now at this point

3363
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:34,240
are you thinking dream or this is

3364
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:35,840
reality

3365
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:38,000
no i'm thinking that i was having this

3366
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:39,920
dream with me and my ex

3367
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:42,080
and now this is reality i'm waking up

3368
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:43,359
and back in my room

3369
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,960
right right right uh so everything was

3370
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:48,479
tactile

3371
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,960
yeah yeah i knew i knew i was conscious

3372
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:52,960
i knew that this was really happening

3373
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:55,599
and i'm looking at her and i'm trying to

3374
02:18:58,309 --> 02:18:57,840
scan up and see what her face looks like

3375
02:19:01,429 --> 02:18:58,319
and i

3376
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,439
it just is a blur there's it's blurry

3377
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:03,200
her face is like blurred out of my

3378
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,040
memory i can't see it uh she didn't want

3379
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:14,150
so i i this happens several times where

3380
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:14,800
i'm

3381
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:17,359
in and out of this dream and back in my

3382
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:18,840
room

3383
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:22,160
um and so uh

3384
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:24,080
the last time i fell asleep i and then i

3385
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:26,559
wake up in my room the next morning

3386
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:30,800
you know and when i woke up i was just

3387
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,960
thinking to myself what just happened

3388
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,479
i thought there must have been some

3389
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:38,719
craft in the backyard

3390
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:42,639
uh um this was real this was not a dream

3391
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:45,200
um because i you know when you dream you

3392
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:46,800
can't feel things like skin

3393
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:50,000
texture and things like that um so this

3394
02:19:53,349 --> 02:19:51,680
was not something

3395
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:53,359
i knew that this was this this had

3396
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:54,800
really happened

3397
02:20:01,270 --> 02:19:58,880
in my room uh and

3398
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:01,280
so you know it was i went down in my

3399
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:02,319
truck i

3400
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:05,359
started dry heaving um

3401
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:08,479
i was devastated because i wanted to

3402
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:09,840
understand all of this

3403
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:13,200
and here i was i was just basically

3404
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:17,200
raped you know um

3405
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:19,520
and so that was difficult uh that was

3406
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:20,560
difficult

3407
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:30,080
didn't tell anybody

3408
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:33,280
um i didn't even tell my brother why why

3409
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,319
would you

3410
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:36,960
right yeah right i mean i i just thought

3411
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:37,680
you know

3412
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:39,200
if i tell anybody about this they're

3413
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:41,840
gonna just i'm gonna get locked up in a

3414
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:45,040
in a straight jacket you know but i mean

3415
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:45,280
i

3416
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:49,120
got so heavy

3417
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:51,840
that i i had to talk to someone about it

3418
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:53,280
so

3419
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:56,960
i talked to my brother you know and he

3420
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:00,960
he seemed to be very receptive

3421
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:03,600
and uh he didn't disbelieve me he

3422
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:05,040
thought

3423
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,640
you know i was kind of in a panic the

3424
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,399
day that i called him there were other

3425
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:10,560
crazy paranormal things happening i

3426
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:12,160
would wake up

3427
02:21:15,830 --> 02:21:14,560
in the middle of the night to either

3428
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:15,840
from a nightmare

3429
02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:18,560
or you know i would hear like a woman

3430
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:20,720
screaming in my house

3431
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:23,680
and that would wake me up i would wake

3432
02:21:28,389 --> 02:21:24,160
up in

3433
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:28,399
pools of my own sweat after these night

3434
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,870
so anyway like i i decided to take my

3435
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:36,399
mind off of this and i went out to my

3436
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:37,439
truck to call

3437
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:39,359
a friend of mine and talk about anything

3438
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:40,960
right anything but this

3439
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:44,479
um so he wasn't picking up and then i

3440
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:46,479
felt you know someone push on my cell

3441
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,439
phone with such

3442
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:49,600
force that i almost dropped it and i

3443
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:51,680
turned around thinking oh my roommate

3444
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:52,479
you know he's

3445
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:55,520
messing around with me so i turn around

3446
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:07,429
and i just i lost it i

3447
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:11,030
so i i went upstairs and i probably um

3448
02:22:18,950 --> 02:22:15,120
i sat in a ball and i cried for hours

3449
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:18,960
um and um

3450
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,960
i went i went back out to my truck later

3451
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:22,640
that night because i wanted to call my

3452
02:22:24,870 --> 02:22:23,120
brother

3453
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,880
and just talk about this because i

3454
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,560
couldn't handle it anymore

3455
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:29,439
and uh you know and he said he kind of

3456
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:30,720
talked me down

3457
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,640
he was like you know there's there's got

3458
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:34,479
to be something you're missing

3459
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,319
uh something they they don't have this

3460
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:40,640
exotic technology just so they can come

3461
02:22:44,790 --> 02:22:41,840
and

3462
02:22:46,550 --> 02:22:44,800
scare you you know it's it seems a

3463
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:46,560
little ridiculous that that would be the

3464
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,520
point of it

3465
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:49,680
um you know when your brother says

3466
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:50,720
something like that

3467
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,800
is are you

3468
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:56,880
dude no you're wrong that's exactly the

3469
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:59,120
point right

3470
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:01,680
no i think i think you know in my state

3471
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:03,520
i wasn't really thinking

3472
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:06,399
right and so when i started to think

3473
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:08,160
along his kind of thought lines i was

3474
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:08,479
like

3475
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:10,240
you know what he's you're you've got to

3476
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,399
be right right right

3477
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:14,319
right right that's the only way to keep

3478
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:15,920
your sanity at this point too

3479
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:19,520
as well is maybe to agree with him even

3480
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:22,560
though you know that he's wrong

3481
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,120
and i'm not making light of this this is

3482
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:27,120
just the situation that you're dealing

3483
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:28,080
with

3484
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:31,280
right yeah so um i mean this

3485
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:34,880
uh i decided to revisit the kabulian

3486
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:37,760
and to start looking at the other books

3487
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:39,120
that were written by the same

3488
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:41,680
author and it turns out this guy william

3489
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:43,439
walker atkinson published

3490
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,640
some like 105 books yes he did yeah

3491
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,800
under various pen names

3492
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:51,280
and so i i started reading those you

3493
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:52,720
know and all the while

3494
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:56,319
this depression is just getting worse

3495
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:58,640
you know and and it gets to the point

3496
02:24:02,150 --> 02:23:59,439
that

3497
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:02,160
i am barely functioning as a human being

3498
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:03,040
i

3499
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,240
could do was just

3500
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:09,040
lay on the floor of my bedroom and cry

3501
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:11,359
like a baby

3502
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:15,200
the pain was so intense um

3503
02:24:20,150 --> 02:24:18,479
were you seeing um and and by the way i

3504
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:20,160
already warned you that we're gonna go

3505
02:24:24,309 --> 02:24:21,120
into overtime

3506
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:24,319
so uh we're gonna continue this

3507
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:28,080
were you seeing anything in the sky

3508
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:31,520
uh yeah so that's uh

3509
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:32,960
that's that's another thing that

3510
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:35,600
happened i i had gone down

3511
02:24:42,710 --> 02:24:38,960
um to one of my rental properties

3512
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:42,720
uh down south in virginia

3513
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:45,520
and uh i was staying there for the

3514
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:46,720
weekend

3515
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,920
um and as i when i got there i had

3516
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:51,680
friends in the area so they were there

3517
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:52,160
kind of

3518
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:55,359
greeting me or whatever and i i you know

3519
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:57,280
started taking some stuff in the house

3520
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:58,479
and i looked up

3521
02:25:02,309 --> 02:24:59,680
one of the things that i left in the

3522
02:25:05,670 --> 02:25:02,319
house was of course my cell phone

3523
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:05,680
uh so i'm grabbing my last bag out of

3524
02:25:10,469 --> 02:25:07,359
the truck and i look up

3525
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:10,479
on the horizon and i can see this

3526
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:13,680
uh like oval shaped

3527
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:16,160
craft and it looks kind of it's got kind

3528
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:17,280
of this brownish

3529
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:20,479
tinge to it and it's just moving

3530
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:23,600
slowly across the horizon

3531
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:26,560
and i thought my gosh you know they

3532
02:25:31,270 --> 02:25:28,720
followed me here

3533
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:31,280
you know and they wanted me to know that

3534
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:31,760
they

3535
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:35,040
followed me here now with um with

3536
02:25:39,230 --> 02:25:36,080
everything that you know

3537
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:39,240
now you're going through these

3538
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:40,800
experiences

3539
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:43,840
firsthand but everything that you know

3540
02:25:46,710 --> 02:25:44,720
now

3541
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:46,720
uh with other experiencers and

3542
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:48,800
contactees out there

3543
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:50,720
uh it's pretty comforting to speak to

3544
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:52,640
others but do you

3545
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:54,160
were you surprised to find out that

3546
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:57,120
maybe your story just wasn't that unique

3547
02:26:01,349 --> 02:25:59,840
you know what i mean and i know you

3548
02:26:03,990 --> 02:26:01,359
understand what i'm saying here because

3549
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:04,000
you get some comfort in that don't you

3550
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:07,520
yeah that you're not crazy right

3551
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:09,280
yeah and and that's that's one of the

3552
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:11,040
big reasons why i knew

3553
02:26:14,389 --> 02:26:13,439
i had to come forward because this is

3554
02:26:17,910 --> 02:26:14,399
real

3555
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:17,920
you know uh i am not crazy

3556
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:21,840
and this happened to me um and so

3557
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:25,840
people need to wake up to that um

3558
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:28,720
this is and you know that's not to say

3559
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:30,000
i'm not saying that this is

3560
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:32,240
evil or anything like that i'm just

3561
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:33,280
saying that

3562
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:36,880
this this is a natural part of the

3563
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:38,399
universe in which we live

3564
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:41,040
and we should probably get used to it

3565
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:41,680
you know

3566
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:45,200
the

3567
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:46,560
rental properties you're hanging out

3568
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,720
with friends did somebody say so

3569
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:51,120
uh are you dating and you know and how

3570
02:26:58,469 --> 02:26:57,910
yeah actually i i did not bring it up

3571
02:27:01,990 --> 02:26:58,479
right

3572
02:27:05,910 --> 02:27:02,000
i wasn't talking about

3573
02:27:08,710 --> 02:27:05,920
it to anyone but my brother um so i

3574
02:27:09,030 --> 02:27:08,720
but you know it's funny because this

3575
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:09,040
this

3576
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:13,359
when i was down there for the weekend

3577
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:17,359
i i picked up my cell phone

3578
02:27:20,710 --> 02:27:19,120
one morning and i looked at it and i

3579
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:20,720
tried to turn it on and

3580
02:27:24,630 --> 02:27:22,800
i was getting like this blue screen of

3581
02:27:27,990 --> 02:27:24,640
death it wasn't working

3582
02:27:29,590 --> 02:27:28,000
so i grabbed my tablet and i tried to

3583
02:27:31,590 --> 02:27:29,600
turn it on and get it to work

3584
02:27:32,500 --> 02:27:31,600
it was also giving me a blue screen of

3585
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:32,510
death

3586
02:27:37,590 --> 02:27:34,000
[Music]

3587
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:37,600
and i thought you know

3588
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:39,920
i have i've caught a virus on all my

3589
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:41,359
software

3590
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:43,760
you know and it just angered me it

3591
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:45,439
angered me that not because i had to

3592
02:27:48,469 --> 02:27:47,760
replace this stuff now but it angered me

3593
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:48,479
that

3594
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:51,520
someone created this worthless

3595
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:54,240
virus just for the the purpose of

3596
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:55,040
destruction

3597
02:28:02,389 --> 02:27:58,319
of property you know and that

3598
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,399
that really got to me and um

3599
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:04,479
so you know with the experiences i had

3600
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,520
been going through

3601
02:28:09,510 --> 02:28:07,439
one of the things that i started looking

3602
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:09,520
up and obsessing over was like the

3603
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:11,439
mechanization of society

3604
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:13,280
right i was seeing these robots that

3605
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:15,520
could do amazing things

3606
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:17,040
and i started to think to myself we

3607
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:19,200
could mechanize everything

3608
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:21,680
you know and then and then humans could

3609
02:28:26,230 --> 02:28:23,760
just concentrate on whatever they want

3610
02:28:27,590 --> 02:28:26,240
art whatever machines can do everything

3611
02:28:31,030 --> 02:28:27,600
for us

3612
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:31,040
and i realized when my cell phone and my

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02:28:34,550 --> 02:28:33,680
stuff broke that we can't we can't do

3614
02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:34,560
that

3615
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:38,399
leading to some point

3616
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:40,000
and then i was like you know we can't

3617
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:41,680
whatever this point of what i'm going

3618
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:42,240
through

3619
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:46,399
is we can't do it you know and i i got

3620
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:49,520
incensed i i

3621
02:28:53,429 --> 02:28:52,720
i picked up my electronics my friends

3622
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:53,439
were there

3623
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:56,800
and they were shocked uh but i

3624
02:29:01,510 --> 02:28:59,359
in a fit of rage i picked up my

3625
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:01,520
electronics and i started smashing them

3626
02:29:06,710 --> 02:29:02,880
on the steps

3627
02:29:08,389 --> 02:29:06,720
of my house uh and

3628
02:29:10,389 --> 02:29:08,399
i said you know if you need to contact

3629
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:10,399
me then

3630
02:29:19,349 --> 02:29:17,110
so i i got in my car and drove back up

3631
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:19,359
to dc i was so angry

3632
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:21,520
i was angry that i had been roped into

3633
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:22,399
something

3634
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:25,520
that was clearly leading nowhere that

3635
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:29,040
uh i i had no control over

3636
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:32,000
i and then i was emotional i was tired

3637
02:29:36,070 --> 02:29:34,080
of this depression

3638
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:36,080
uh so i decided i said you know just

3639
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:37,359
leave me alone

3640
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:39,680
i i told the powers that be leave me

3641
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:41,120
alone i am done

3642
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:42,800
i'm gonna take these books i'm gonna

3643
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:44,319
throw them in the garbage

3644
02:29:51,190 --> 02:29:47,680
i'm done with this you know uh

3645
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:51,200
so i get home late uh and

3646
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:53,359
i decide in the morning i'm gonna throw

3647
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:54,399
these books out

3648
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:56,720
now we're gonna take a quick break right

3649
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:57,840
here okay

3650
02:30:02,070 --> 02:30:00,479
i gotta get that in but we'll finish

3651
02:30:04,469 --> 02:30:02,080
everything i promise

3652
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:04,479
everybody i know they're going oh he's

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not

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02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:06,800
yes we are we're going to take a break

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right here our guest tonight

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02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:10,399
matthew roberts what a great

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conversation so far matthew and let me

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tell you

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i'm going to let the audience know you

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are bright-eyed

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your feet are on the ground you're a

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dynamic individual man and this has been

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a great conversation tonight stay right

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there

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we've got more this is fade to black i'm

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[Music]

3748
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:26,399
welcome back fade to black i am your

3749
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:27,520
host jimmy church i guess tonight

3750
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:29,760
matthew roberts matthew

3751
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,760
was a crew member aboard the uss

3752
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:34,000
roosevelt and the carrier strike group

3753
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:37,120
when the gimbal and go fast footage was

3754
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:40,479
shot officer in the

3755
02:34:46,790 --> 02:34:44,080
uh office of naval intelligence

3756
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:46,800
through his retirement in march of last

3757
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:47,520
year

3758
02:34:51,429 --> 02:34:50,160
we're in the march of uh 2021 so it was

3759
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:51,439
a year ago

3760
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:54,880
uh this month when he left the navy and

3761
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:57,439
so we're heading into overtime now with

3762
02:35:01,270 --> 02:34:58,240
matthew

3763
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:01,280
and uh continuing uh

3764
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:04,240
this story of uh you know his his

3765
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:05,760
personal struggle

3766
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:09,359
of of making contact which all of this

3767
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:12,960
uh is is is and has been out of his

3768
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:14,080
control

3769
02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:16,560
now uh matthew 2 to pick up where we

3770
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:18,000
left off right before the break

3771
02:35:21,270 --> 02:35:20,319
incredible story by the way uh just

3772
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:21,280
incredible

3773
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:24,800
um uh you were with friends you smash

3774
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,080
all of your electrical devices

3775
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:30,160
i'm assuming part of that was one of

3776
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:32,160
those was your cell phone

3777
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:35,200
yes it was i i smashed my laptop

3778
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:37,040
my cell phone my tablet everything

3779
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:38,720
because none of it was working anymore

3780
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:41,040
well did you did you and we're going to

3781
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:42,720
continue really quickly because there's

3782
02:35:47,590 --> 02:35:44,640
so much more to discuss

3783
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:47,600
but when you do something like that and

3784
02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:49,920
i've smashed a few laptops in my day

3785
02:35:53,750 --> 02:35:52,800
my man okay probably a couple of uh cell

3786
02:35:55,590 --> 02:35:53,760
phones too

3787
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,600
but and after i'm done with that i'm

3788
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:57,520
like oh man what did i just do

3789
02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:00,399
was that worth it did you think the same

3790
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:02,479
thing

3791
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:05,840
yeah i did yeah yeah you can help that

3792
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,280
you can't help that

3793
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:09,040
so you drive home you're gonna throw

3794
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:11,840
away uh your books your research your

3795
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,120
reading

3796
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:15,600
and you're gonna you're gonna do uh your

3797
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:16,880
own version of the cancel

3798
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:19,439
culture yeah i figured you know i am

3799
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:20,560
done with whatever this

3800
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:23,680
is whatever i've been roped into

3801
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:26,960
so i go to bed that night um and i wake

3802
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:28,399
up in the middle of night and i've got

3803
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:28,880
that

3804
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:32,000
familiar heavy feeling of being

3805
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:33,520
paralyzed and i'm just

3806
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:37,520
instantly angry i'm pissed you know

3807
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,680
because i i had asked to be left alone

3808
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,120
uh

3809
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:43,760
so anyway like my room's blurry it

3810
02:36:48,309 --> 02:36:45,760
starts to come into focus

3811
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:48,319
and i'm i just want to punch something

3812
02:36:56,070 --> 02:36:49,600
you know

3813
02:36:57,110 --> 02:36:56,080
saw this i wasn't expecting this at all

3814
02:36:59,910 --> 02:36:57,120
uh

3815
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:59,920
i i can see across my nightstand now and

3816
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:00,960
there's this small

3817
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:04,080
man standing there it looks kind of like

3818
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:08,399
a yard gnome uh he's got

3819
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:13,120
glasses he's big thick black glasses on

3820
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:16,479
and a beard and it's it's locked and his

3821
02:37:21,510 --> 02:37:18,160
hair is locked and he's all

3822
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:21,520
white he's very monochromatic

3823
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:24,960
and uh he telepathically tells me

3824
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:28,640
don't give up keep going

3825
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:32,479
and i said some colorful things back to

3826
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:32,880
him

3827
02:37:40,710 --> 02:37:36,880
in my mind and i fell back asleep

3828
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:40,720
uh so the next morning i got up and i

3829
02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:42,560
i started thinking about all this with

3830
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:44,160
kind of a clearer head

3831
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:47,439
and i thought to myself you know there's

3832
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:50,080
they they have all of this technology

3833
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:52,479
this has been going on for a long time

3834
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,479
which was evident by the light show in

3835
02:37:59,270 --> 02:37:56,479
my room it looked like religious art

3836
02:38:03,990 --> 02:37:59,280
i've seen from all over the world

3837
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:04,000
uh who am i you know to stop this to

3838
02:38:09,110 --> 02:38:07,600
to say no you know so so i thought well

3839
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:09,120
you know maybe he knows something i

3840
02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:10,000
don't

3841
02:38:17,750 --> 02:38:13,280
um and he certainly did uh

3842
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:17,760
because i kept going and i'm glad i did

3843
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:21,200
um because i i reached

3844
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:25,120
i reached the end of this process where

3845
02:38:28,950 --> 02:38:26,800
that you that they're putting you

3846
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:28,960
through to kind of condition

3847
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:32,800
the mind right um and

3848
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:35,760
and it paired really well with the books

3849
02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:37,200
that i was reading some of the books

3850
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:38,000
that i was reading

3851
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:39,840
because i would have these experiences

3852
02:38:43,830 --> 02:38:42,080
within within reading these

3853
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:43,840
books like one of the books i read was

3854
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:45,120
uh

3855
02:38:51,510 --> 02:38:49,600
william walker atkinson

3856
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:51,520
and he talks about what happens when you

3857
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:52,800
die and

3858
02:38:56,630 --> 02:38:55,040
and reincarnation and all of that kind

3859
02:38:59,670 --> 02:38:56,640
of thing

3860
02:39:01,670 --> 02:38:59,680
and uh so i had

3861
02:39:02,710 --> 02:39:01,680
an experience with that because one of

3862
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:02,720
my co-workers

3863
02:39:08,710 --> 02:39:06,399
grandmothers had passed away and uh

3864
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:08,720
i it was in the middle of the day i

3865
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:11,280
started to feel really

3866
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:14,240
heavy and tired even though i had a full

3867
02:39:17,510 --> 02:39:16,000
night's sleep

3868
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:17,520
and so i thought well let me go take a

3869
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:19,439
nap i have to take a nap you know i have

3870
02:39:23,670 --> 02:39:21,120
to lay down

3871
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:23,680
so i take a nap and i start having this

3872
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:24,479
dream

3873
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:26,000
i guess you could call it like kind of

3874
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:27,600
it almost seemed like astral

3875
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:30,720
projection uh where this

3876
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:33,920
small man from my room i was like

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02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:35,040
tethered to him

3878
02:39:38,710 --> 02:39:37,600
and we were like flying through the sky

3879
02:39:49,429 --> 02:39:38,720
and

3880
02:39:52,150 --> 02:39:49,439
dead beetle on the ground

3881
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:52,160
it was it was a giant beetle right and i

3882
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:54,560
had seen it a few days earlier

3883
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:56,800
uh because the thing was like the size

3884
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,640
of my fist and it was dead right out

3885
02:40:01,830 --> 02:40:00,399
there by the flagpole and i was like wow

3886
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:01,840
that is the biggest beetle i've ever

3887
02:40:05,590 --> 02:40:02,720
seen in my life

3888
02:40:06,230 --> 02:40:05,600
going into work so anyway he's pointing

3889
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:06,240
at that

3890
02:40:11,190 --> 02:40:09,040
and looking at me and i didn't really

3891
02:40:15,349 --> 02:40:11,200
understand what the point of that was

3892
02:40:19,190 --> 02:40:15,359
uh i do now um

3893
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:19,200
but so he takes me inside and we go

3894
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:22,479
up to the area where i work

3895
02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:25,840
and i i assume we're him

3896
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:29,359
and he takes me past this desk of a

3897
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:30,720
co-worker

3898
02:40:35,349 --> 02:40:33,600
um and then just kind of disappears and

3899
02:40:36,430 --> 02:40:35,359
all of a sudden there's this old lady

3900
02:40:40,070 --> 02:40:36,440
sitting there

3901
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:44,630
sorry this gets kind of emotional too

3902
02:40:49,510 --> 02:40:47,910
but she said she jumped up as soon as i

3903
02:40:51,830 --> 02:40:49,520
was approaching and she said have you

3904
02:40:53,990 --> 02:40:51,840
seen my grandson

3905
02:40:56,070 --> 02:40:54,000
um she was sitting she was sitting at

3906
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:56,080
his desk um

3907
02:41:02,950 --> 02:40:59,840
and uh i said yes i have

3908
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:02,960
um and she said how is he

3909
02:41:14,830 --> 02:41:12,230
and um so uh

3910
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:14,840
so i told her that he was gonna be just

3911
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:22,469
was this okay um i i don't i don't want

3912
02:41:25,429 --> 02:41:24,000
to interrupt but i know everybody's

3913
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:25,439
thinking the same thing i

3914
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:28,720
am your co-worker did he

3915
02:41:35,429 --> 02:41:32,399
already know that she had passed yeah

3916
02:41:36,230 --> 02:41:35,439
and so and did you know that she had

3917
02:41:39,190 --> 02:41:36,240
passed

3918
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:39,200
yeah okay all right so you knew what was

3919
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:40,640
going on here

3920
02:41:44,309 --> 02:41:43,520
yeah i i i recognized okay this is his

3921
02:41:46,309 --> 02:41:44,319
grandmother

3922
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:46,319
right now right she's she's looking for

3923
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:47,680
him

3924
02:41:54,309 --> 02:41:50,800
so i you know i said to her

3925
02:41:58,630 --> 02:41:54,319
it's time to sleep now and she

3926
02:42:02,469 --> 02:41:58,640
kind of nodded at me and then she up

3927
02:42:05,110 --> 02:42:02,479
held out her hand and i took it and um

3928
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:05,120
there was this giant wall of white light

3929
02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:06,240
that opened up

3930
02:42:10,150 --> 02:42:08,960
and i walked her into the white light

3931
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:10,160
wow

3932
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:16,800
yeah so that was uh did you tell your

3933
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:18,399
co-worker about this

3934
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:20,960
i did and i the reason why i did was

3935
02:42:24,070 --> 02:42:21,680
because

3936
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:24,080
in reading william walker atkinson's the

3937
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:27,359
life beyond death he talks about how

3938
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:31,200
you know uh when you die you

3939
02:42:34,870 --> 02:42:33,120
leave the body and you have this astral

3940
02:42:37,750 --> 02:42:34,880
body um

3941
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:37,760
and that you are kept from your slumber

3942
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:38,960
before rebirth

3943
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:41,760
if if there are intense emotions that

3944
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:42,479
are happening

3945
02:42:45,830 --> 02:42:44,880
right so so in other words if if someone

3946
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:45,840
you know dies

3947
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:49,600
and you're grieving them very strongly

3948
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:52,800
um that other person will feel that pull

3949
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:54,560
and it'll keep them from

3950
02:43:00,309 --> 02:42:57,680
going to sleep um

3951
02:43:02,230 --> 02:43:00,319
and so uh that was what i recognized was

3952
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:02,240
happening

3953
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:05,279
and so i told him about what had

3954
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:05,920
happened

3955
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:09,200
and uh

3956
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:12,319
was he cool with it uh yeah yeah he

3957
02:43:15,670 --> 02:43:14,560
he got kind of a little bit emotional

3958
02:43:18,950 --> 02:43:15,680
too sure um

3959
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:18,960
sure and you know he you know shared

3960
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:20,640
with me that

3961
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:24,080
he had been instead of eating lunch uh

3962
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:25,600
and going going out of the cafeteria to

3963
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:28,080
get lunch he would go out to his car

3964
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:31,600
and just cry because his grandmother had

3965
02:43:34,870 --> 02:43:32,479
raised him

3966
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:34,880
you know and so this was this is his

3967
02:43:40,230 --> 02:43:37,040
mother basically

3968
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:40,240
um and he also shared with me that she

3969
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:42,319
was someone who

3970
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:45,680
would have visions and she was told that

3971
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:47,359
she would have to share those visions

3972
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:48,240
with people

3973
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:50,000
otherwise the ability would be taken

3974
02:43:55,190 --> 02:43:51,840
away from her

3975
02:43:58,630 --> 02:43:55,200
and that this is who she was in life

3976
02:44:03,590 --> 02:43:58,640
and so i thought that was kind of

3977
02:44:09,429 --> 02:44:07,429
when you uh uh after this dream

3978
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:09,439
uh i'm looking at the clock we only have

3979
02:44:13,269 --> 02:44:11,279
a short time left and i've got to get to

3980
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:13,279
a couple of other things here

3981
02:44:20,230 --> 02:44:16,880
um but the the

3982
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:20,240
the contact uh that you were

3983
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:25,200
having um did that continue

3984
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:27,680
you're still in the navy at this point

3985
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:28,800
yeah right

3986
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:31,359
um you've been out of the navy for a

3987
02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:32,160
year

3988
02:44:41,910 --> 02:44:38,560
uh no so the post

3989
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:41,920
the transformation experience right

3990
02:44:49,030 --> 02:44:44,960
it morphs into something else uh

3991
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:49,040
right so i i instead have

3992
02:44:52,630 --> 02:44:52,319
i'll have dreams or i i have something

3993
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:52,640
that

3994
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:54,479
uh mabel collins who was someone who

3995
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:56,080
published also under the yogi

3996
02:44:59,269 --> 02:44:57,760
publication society she calls this

3997
02:45:02,950 --> 02:44:59,279
waking clairvoyance

3998
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:02,960
where i will hear a voice upon waking

3999
02:45:07,269 --> 02:45:05,840
and this is how i actually wrote my book

4000
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:07,279
and put a lot of the stuff in my book

4001
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:08,560
that's in there

4002
02:45:12,389 --> 02:45:10,319
was that i would wake with the name of

4003
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,399
an author in my head

4004
02:45:16,469 --> 02:45:14,880
and then i would start reading that

4005
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:16,479
material

4006
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:19,120
and it would it would be connected to

4007
02:45:23,510 --> 02:45:20,080
all of this

4008
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:23,520
you know uh i had a dream where

4009
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:25,680
i was sitting talking to this elderly

4010
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:27,600
gentleman about psychology he was

4011
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:28,000
teaching

4012
02:45:33,349 --> 02:45:31,359
me about psychology and

4013
02:45:34,389 --> 02:45:33,359
i woke up from that dream with the name

4014
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:34,399
robert moore

4015
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,920
running through my head and so i looked

4016
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:39,840
into who he was he was

4017
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:42,880
a union psychoanalyst out of chicago

4018
02:45:46,309 --> 02:45:45,279
and he wrote several books of all about

4019
02:45:50,710 --> 02:45:46,319
this

4020
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:50,720
understand the totality of my

4021
02:45:54,830 --> 02:45:52,319
experiences he wrote this book called

4022
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:54,840
the archetype of an

4023
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:04,710
to me that's what all of this was um and

4024
02:46:08,070 --> 02:46:05,600
that's why

4025
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:08,080
now i have these dreams where i can and

4026
02:46:13,429 --> 02:46:10,000
this whole consciousness thing that's

4027
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:13,439
happening now uh

4028
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:16,399
and uh so yeah i mean that that's

4029
02:46:21,750 --> 02:46:18,319
basically what it's turned into

4030
02:46:23,269 --> 02:46:21,760
um i will get i have now recognized that

4031
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:23,279
there are things that

4032
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:25,439
i'll get some idea that pops into my

4033
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:26,399
head

4034
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:29,359
or a name of someone that pops into my

4035
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:31,439
head in my conscious waking life

4036
02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:34,399
and up and oh sure is everything it's

4037
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:37,359
it's connected to all of this

4038
02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:40,399
and so i will follow those things

4039
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:44,560
um and i i can see in dr robert moore's

4040
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:46,000
books that

4041
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:49,439
uh he was trying to kind of

4042
02:46:52,950 --> 02:46:52,000
talk about psychologically what had

4043
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:52,960
happened to me

4044
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:55,840
and this is it was something clearly i

4045
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:57,359
think that he probably went through

4046
02:47:02,309 --> 02:46:58,319
himself

4047
02:47:02,870 --> 02:47:02,319
uh and and he describes it as the hero's

4048
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:02,880
journey

4049
02:47:06,150 --> 02:47:04,319
mm-hmm i'm not sure are you familiar

4050
02:47:09,830 --> 02:47:06,160
with joseph cameron oh yes

4051
02:47:12,950 --> 02:47:09,840
yeah so it is in this way

4052
02:47:15,030 --> 02:47:12,960
that what i went through was the forms

4053
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:15,040
the basis of all the world's religions

4054
02:47:20,870 --> 02:47:17,359
right it's this cycle of death

4055
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,880
and rebirth um this this this experience

4056
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:22,319
was central

4057
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:25,840
to the greek mysteries i know that for a

4058
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:26,560
fact

4059
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:29,279
uh there's a quote from plutarch in my

4060
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:30,479
book about his

4061
02:47:33,990 --> 02:47:32,160
recollection of the mysteries and he

4062
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:34,000
talks about you know shaking with

4063
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:37,120
fear and sweating and

4064
02:47:40,950 --> 02:47:39,920
uh all of a sudden you're the the light

4065
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:40,960
breaks forth

4066
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:44,479
and you enjoy the festival of rebirth

4067
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:46,319
um and that is exactly what happened to

4068
02:47:51,510 --> 02:47:48,000
me well yeah i mean

4069
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:51,520
if you if you just go with the hero's

4070
02:47:56,309 --> 02:47:54,960
journey as as campbell defined it you

4071
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:56,319
know one two and three

4072
02:48:01,670 --> 02:47:59,359
right chapters one two and three uh you

4073
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:01,680
completed all three chapters

4074
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:04,160
and and and that i find that very

4075
02:48:08,389 --> 02:48:04,960
interesting

4076
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:08,399
um let's back up for a second um

4077
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:10,960
and and go back to the military and how

4078
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:14,240
all of this ties together

4079
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:18,560
with with where things stand today

4080
02:48:30,550 --> 02:48:25,110
the pentagon knows this too

4081
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:30,560
as well they have this same information

4082
02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:34,560
they must this this type of contact in

4083
02:48:38,870 --> 02:48:35,760
these experiences

4084
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:38,880
has been going on for thousands of years

4085
02:48:45,910 --> 02:48:42,640
yes and they have made contact

4086
02:48:48,790 --> 02:48:45,920
many times they understand this

4087
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:48,800
yeah right do you follow where i'm going

4088
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:49,680
with this

4089
02:48:55,349 --> 02:48:53,040
yeah yeah i i find it hard to believe

4090
02:48:57,269 --> 02:48:55,359
that i'm not the only one that's ever

4091
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:57,279
been through this no you are not

4092
02:49:01,910 --> 02:49:00,240
so clearly right so they they've been

4093
02:49:04,150 --> 02:49:01,920
studying this for 70 years

4094
02:49:05,510 --> 02:49:04,160
i think i think though the question is

4095
02:49:08,870 --> 02:49:05,520
that

4096
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:08,880
um there i don't know there may be

4097
02:49:11,349 --> 02:49:10,720
people behind closed doors who view this

4098
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:11,359
as evil

4099
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:13,120
there's probably people who view it as

4100
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:14,399
good just like i

4101
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:18,319
i view it as good um and

4102
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:19,600
and i know that it's all about

4103
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:21,200
consciousness and if you want to call

4104
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:22,240
that god

4105
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:25,680
overarching

4106
02:49:32,710 --> 02:49:29,600
consciousness of the universe uh

4107
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:32,720
and i i i just find it hard to believe

4108
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:34,240
that they wouldn't know this

4109
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:37,520
um and when tom delonge uh was on the

4110
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:38,319
show

4111
02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:41,200
um he said well he said a lot of things

4112
02:49:44,630 --> 02:49:42,160
uh but

4113
02:49:46,150 --> 02:49:44,640
but there was one little spot that a lot

4114
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,160
of people picked up on

4115
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:48,399
uh that has been quoted over and over

4116
02:49:52,830 --> 02:49:49,359
again

4117
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:52,840
uh from the show and he said

4118
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:55,520
that

4119
02:50:01,910 --> 02:49:59,200
when you are seeing something in the sky

4120
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:01,920
and you think you're making a conscious

4121
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:02,960
connection

4122
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:06,319
with whatever this may be

4123
02:50:09,590 --> 02:50:09,200
that you need to be careful because

4124
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:09,600
there

4125
02:50:15,510 --> 02:50:12,720
is a religious component to

4126
02:50:17,670 --> 02:50:15,520
all of this now i'm paraphrasing but

4127
02:50:20,950 --> 02:50:17,680
that's that's what he said

4128
02:50:23,910 --> 02:50:20,960
and then he he went further and said

4129
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:23,920
um with the military and with the

4130
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,920
pentagon with washington d.c

4131
02:50:29,030 --> 02:50:28,080
there are many there that understand

4132
02:50:33,190 --> 02:50:29,040
this too

4133
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:33,200
as well and we need to be very careful

4134
02:50:35,910 --> 02:50:33,680
about

4135
02:50:37,750 --> 02:50:35,920
consciously what we're trying to make

4136
02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:37,760
connections with

4137
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:41,120
and and i always found that as

4138
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:43,200
as not only profound but a very

4139
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:44,800
interesting statement

4140
02:50:52,389 --> 02:50:49,040
to say not that what does tom know

4141
02:50:55,110 --> 02:50:52,399
but what are people saying to

4142
02:50:57,510 --> 02:50:55,120
tom about this because this is a

4143
02:51:00,630 --> 02:50:57,520
learning process too as well

4144
02:51:02,230 --> 02:51:00,640
right yeah yeah and i

4145
02:51:03,830 --> 02:51:02,240
i would totally agree that there's this

4146
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:03,840
religious aspect there there are

4147
02:51:06,309 --> 02:51:04,399
religious

4148
02:51:07,830 --> 02:51:06,319
undertones throughout this whole

4149
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:07,840
experience um and

4150
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:10,080
and like i say the reason for that is

4151
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:11,359
because this

4152
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:13,680
is what gave birth to all the world's

4153
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:14,720
religions

4154
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:17,600
and the reason i say that is because i

4155
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:18,000
came to

4156
02:51:23,429 --> 02:51:21,200
understand that this starts

4157
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:23,439
at a certain time of year and it ends at

4158
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:25,120
a certain time of year it starts with

4159
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:27,439
the autumnal equinox

4160
02:51:31,670 --> 02:51:30,240
through the winter solstice and it ends

4161
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:31,680
in the spring

4162
02:51:36,309 --> 02:51:34,479
this cycle of death and rebirth you know

4163
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:36,319
and and so you have this cycle of death

4164
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:38,240
and rebirth that happens

4165
02:51:42,309 --> 02:51:40,880
on the earth as a part of a natural

4166
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:42,319
cycle

4167
02:51:51,510 --> 02:51:48,000
our psyche as a result as well

4168
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:51,520
and and that's why temple structures all

4169
02:51:54,630 --> 02:51:52,720
over the world have

4170
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:54,640
alignments to the winter solstice and

4171
02:52:00,870 --> 02:51:57,520
autumnal equinox because they would

4172
02:52:03,030 --> 02:52:00,880
they would kind of shepherd this process

4173
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:03,040
in people or where you come to this

4174
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:05,520
higher consciousness and this is what

4175
02:52:09,190 --> 02:52:07,760
this consciousness aspect of it is what

4176
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:09,200
caused people

4177
02:52:15,830 --> 02:52:12,399
to move millions of tons of earth and

4178
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:15,840
rock um to

4179
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:19,120
to make this experience uh as magical as

4180
02:52:23,429 --> 02:52:20,399
it really is

4181
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:23,439
you know if that makes any sense do you

4182
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:28,720
feel that for instance dave fraver

4183
02:52:33,429 --> 02:52:31,760
yeah do you think that he is going

4184
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:33,439
through and has gone through

4185
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:37,520
the same experiences that you have

4186
02:52:41,910 --> 02:52:40,000
i don't know i don't i don't know much

4187
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:41,920
about dave fravor

4188
02:52:48,870 --> 02:52:45,200
but i i know that there are others

4189
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:48,880
that work and have worked in government

4190
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:57,030
and some of them aren't going public

4191
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,439
i i know of one that uh is kind of

4192
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:03,120
you know putting her foot in the water

4193
02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:06,000
there um

4194
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:09,200
but and i i suspect that as time

4195
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:11,359
passes we're going to see more people

4196
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:12,640
coming forward with this

4197
02:53:15,590 --> 02:53:14,479
with this exact same experience and

4198
02:53:17,110 --> 02:53:15,600
they're they're going to talk about it

4199
02:53:19,349 --> 02:53:17,120
in the same ways that i am

4200
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:19,359
sure sure because this is the ultimate

4201
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:20,399
truth of it

4202
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:23,600
right right right um and uh

4203
02:53:26,870 --> 02:53:26,319
going back i i don't want to let this

4204
02:53:33,429 --> 02:53:26,880
this

4205
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:33,439
you said that when you went down south

4206
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:34,560
and and

4207
02:53:40,469 --> 02:53:38,000
uh you had looked up and on the horizon

4208
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:40,479
uh you saw what you thought was a craft

4209
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:42,479
and i think he said it was brown

4210
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:45,600
or bronze right yeah yeah um

4211
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:48,080
was there confirmation because what

4212
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:49,680
you're suggesting in saying

4213
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:53,359
that is that these entities these beings

4214
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:54,240
whatever they are

4215
02:53:58,389 --> 02:53:57,680
are were or are on board that craft and

4216
02:54:01,190 --> 02:53:58,399
that they

4217
02:54:02,150 --> 02:54:01,200
followed you was there any confirmation

4218
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:02,160
of that

4219
02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:05,680
were are you able to ask anybody

4220
02:54:10,630 --> 02:54:07,920
you know and i this is this is a

4221
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:10,640
difficult question to answer but

4222
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:12,800
certainly this is on everybody's mind

4223
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:14,240
right did did you

4224
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:17,439
did you go somewhere with that

4225
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:20,720
no i mean i i

4226
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:23,359
i tend to believe that when we see these

4227
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:24,080
craft

4228
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:27,120
uh there are non-human

4229
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:30,240
entities on board not necessarily on all

4230
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:31,279
of them but i

4231
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:34,800
i would think that they are piloted

4232
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:38,800
you know um and that's just my personal

4233
02:54:42,070 --> 02:54:39,760
opinion i

4234
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:42,080
there's no i there's no way i could

4235
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:43,520
confirm that

4236
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:46,800
um but i i certainly in that experience

4237
02:54:50,389 --> 02:54:47,680
i knew

4238
02:54:52,070 --> 02:54:50,399
that that was for me you know they

4239
02:54:54,230 --> 02:54:52,080
wanted me to see that

4240
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:54,240
um and they wanted me to know that was

4241
02:54:59,269 --> 02:54:55,279
that the only time

4242
02:55:02,790 --> 02:54:59,279
that you did see a craft no so actually

4243
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:02,800
years before i

4244
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:05,120
i was standing in my backyard i let my

4245
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:06,960
dogs out

4246
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:08,960
and i looked up at the sky and i saw

4247
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:11,279
this uh

4248
02:55:16,150 --> 02:55:15,040
black thing just kind of floating across

4249
02:55:18,790 --> 02:55:16,160
the sky

4250
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:18,800
in in my mind i was like what is that it

4251
02:55:23,110 --> 02:55:19,760
looked like a

4252
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:23,120
a giant crumpled up piece of

4253
02:55:28,230 --> 02:55:26,319
uh like a giant crumpled up garbage bag

4254
02:55:31,510 --> 02:55:28,240
or a piece of coal

4255
02:55:33,190 --> 02:55:31,520
you know it had no real structure to it

4256
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:33,200
it was just kind of nonsense

4257
02:55:36,469 --> 02:55:34,560
you mentioned this to me in our

4258
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:36,479
conversation two weeks ago

4259
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:39,520
um what was the size of this crumpled up

4260
02:55:43,349 --> 02:55:41,520
hefty bag

4261
02:55:45,429 --> 02:55:43,359
you know i would have to say that it

4262
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:45,439
looked it appeared to be the size of a

4263
02:55:48,710 --> 02:55:46,399
bus but it was

4264
02:55:49,750 --> 02:55:48,720
it was hard to tell it was hard to judge

4265
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:49,760
distance

4266
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,640
you know because because there was no

4267
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,319
i've never seen anything like this on

4268
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:56,960
the ground and been able to compare size

4269
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:00,560
as compared to me you know but it looked

4270
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:03,760
pretty big uh and it just

4271
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:06,000
silently just kind of floated across the

4272
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:08,000
sky and i thought

4273
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:11,359
is that is that a giant plastic bag

4274
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:14,720
or what is that you know and and i

4275
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:17,359
i didn't make anything of it now i asked

4276
02:56:21,429 --> 02:56:18,160
you then

4277
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:21,439
so i'm going to ask you uh again

4278
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:23,760
did it change shape or did it maintain

4279
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,880
the crumpled up yeah it just it

4280
02:56:30,150 --> 02:56:29,279
maintained that kind of crumpled up

4281
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:30,160
nonsense

4282
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:33,120
shape you know as it just floated

4283
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:34,160
through the sky

4284
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:37,600
uh and uh you know this was

4285
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:40,560
this was one of the things that i post

4286
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:41,840
what i went through

4287
02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:44,080
i look back on that i think you know

4288
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:46,000
that was probably something

4289
02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:48,640
you know uh but i what it was i don't

4290
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:50,240
know

4291
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:54,880
was a craft or what

4292
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:58,000
but it was flying it wasn't floating

4293
02:57:02,150 --> 02:57:01,040
it wasn't a deflated black weather

4294
02:57:04,469 --> 02:57:02,160
balloon

4295
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:04,479
no no not at all because because it

4296
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:05,279
didn't change

4297
02:57:09,030 --> 02:57:07,200
shape and you would expect with wind

4298
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:09,040
blowing around and wind blowing this

4299
02:57:14,230 --> 02:57:11,439
thing across the sky that it would

4300
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:14,240
it would give and start to move and you

4301
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,680
know but it didn't do that

4302
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:17,600
no that's why i asked you that question

4303
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:19,279
then and i'm asking

4304
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:22,000
you the same question now because that's

4305
02:57:26,309 --> 02:57:23,520
the first thing people are going to

4306
02:57:29,670 --> 02:57:26,319
assume i you know what i have seen

4307
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:29,680
a floating flying hefty bag right

4308
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:31,600
i think maybe all of us have at one

4309
02:57:36,389 --> 02:57:33,520
point in our lives

4310
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:36,399
but it's changing shape yeah right with

4311
02:57:40,550 --> 02:57:37,520
with the wind

4312
02:57:43,910 --> 02:57:40,560
but this is the size of a bus this is 40

4313
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:43,920
50 feet long yeah and and was

4314
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:47,439
moving in a direction yeah yeah and it

4315
02:57:51,590 --> 02:57:49,279
didn't deviate from that it was just

4316
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:51,600
kind of a straight line across the sky

4317
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:55,120
low very uh uniform

4318
02:58:01,429 --> 02:57:58,800
um and it was just odd

4319
02:58:02,150 --> 02:58:01,439
what a great conversation tonight matt

4320
02:58:03,910 --> 02:58:02,160
and

4321
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:03,920
now you're you're fully out of the

4322
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:06,319
closet you've come unpaid to black and

4323
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:06,960
now

4324
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:09,920
it's all out there you feel better you

4325
02:58:14,070 --> 02:58:11,040
feel better

4326
02:58:15,510 --> 02:58:14,080
i do yeah i feel good about this well i

4327
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:15,520
said earlier you know it's just you and

4328
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:17,040
i sitting on my couch right

4329
02:58:20,150 --> 02:58:19,520
yeah having a conversation uh amongst

4330
02:58:23,110 --> 02:58:20,160
friends

4331
02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:23,120
uh the new book initiated is available

4332
02:58:26,269 --> 02:58:24,399
right now on amazon

4333
02:58:27,830 --> 02:58:26,279
the links are over at

4334
02:58:30,950 --> 02:58:27,840
jimmychurchradio.com

4335
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:30,960
and uh tonight with with matt

4336
02:58:36,870 --> 02:58:34,240
we had a lot to discuss and

4337
02:58:38,070 --> 02:58:36,880
and touch upon things a little bit but

4338
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,080
matt i look forward to

4339
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,479
our next conversation and we'll be able

4340
02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:42,960
to just dive deep in one area

4341
02:58:46,150 --> 02:58:44,800
yeah yeah that'd be great you're the

4342
02:58:48,630 --> 02:58:46,160
best man thank you so much

4343
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:48,640
enjoy the rest of your night and let me

4344
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:49,920
know tomorrow if

4345
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:52,960
somebody reaches out okay i'll talk to

4346
02:58:57,429 --> 02:58:53,520
you

4347
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:57,439
matt what a great conversation again the

4348
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:58,560
links are over

4349
02:59:02,710 --> 02:59:01,920
at jimmychurchradio.com for initiated

4350
02:59:05,429 --> 02:59:02,720
you can go

4351
02:59:06,790 --> 02:59:05,439
and get yourself a copy right now and

4352
02:59:08,950 --> 02:59:06,800
with that we just went

4353
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:08,960
bumper to bumper pulled a poll with

4354
02:59:11,269 --> 02:59:10,319
matthew i've got to get out of here and

4355
02:59:13,190 --> 02:59:11,279
get the credits

4356
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:13,200
i want to remind everybody what's going

4357
02:59:17,990 --> 02:59:14,800
on tomorrow night eric

4358
02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:18,000
mitchell is here also first time guest

4359
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:19,520
and i know that all of you have been

4360
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:21,120
looking forward to finally

4361
02:59:25,590 --> 02:59:23,760
hearing from eric here on the show and

4362
02:59:27,670 --> 02:59:25,600
then wednesday night of course is the

4363
02:59:29,750 --> 02:59:27,680
return of terry lovelace

4364
02:59:31,269 --> 02:59:29,760
thursday night is another fader night

4365
02:59:34,150 --> 02:59:31,279
with open lines

4366
02:59:34,790 --> 02:59:34,160
all night long what a great conversation

4367
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:34,800
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4368
02:59:42,150 --> 02:59:38,720
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4369
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:42,160
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4395
03:00:37,910 --> 03:00:35,920
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4396
03:00:39,429 --> 03:00:37,920
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